Is the preaching work, no longer the number 1 priority?

by ToesUp 72 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  DATA-DOG

  I guess when you are willing to assume anything, you COULD be right about anything. You have no true figures to back up your claims. You are trying to convince us that you know what your talking about, but you are just speculating.

  DD
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  OUTLAW

  @oulaw it seems they have beaten your brains out.....insidetheKH

  ......You Voluntarily Left Yours Outside the Kingdom Hall Door..
  ...........
  
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  Magnum

  insidetheKH: Its obvious this cant come from births. They are (assuming that 100% of those kids become publishers) barely enough to keep up with death rate and nr of df'd/da'd ones.
  conclusion the majority of new members comes from outside of the organisation

  Again, you're missing an important point (see my post above). JW internal growth doesn't come from just direct offspring; it comes from all sorts of other family connections. And with each new baptism comes more connections that JWs can look to for growth.
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  insidetheKH

  @village i became a witness myself in 2009 through door to door work. One older lady (56 years old), a cathloic, became a biblestudent because of my witnessing work, she is attending weekly meetings and actively participating in the WT study and is making progress towards baptism.

  She was one of those on my monthly magazine route. The first time that i visited her was in the summer of 2013. At that time she was very opposed to JW's and her house was litterally full of Maria and Saint statues. She had drawers full of icons and rosaries.

  Every time i was patient and friendly and we had a short conversation. After twelve months or so she became more receptive. i often asked her about her catholic services and sermons. And asked her if she would be interested to hear a public talk on mp3.

  She said yes. She was impressed by the public talk. The subject was honesty. She said... 'It was really about the bible!' and decided to type the whole talk on her laptop. Not long after that she agreed to visit a KH once. She was amazed how she was welcomed by everyone and how much the bible was used during the talk and that all people were really reading and studying and that even youngsters and kids were participating and that everyone knew eachothers names. And there was no one asking for money
  

  few months later she had thrown all the maria/holy stuff out.... removed the icons from the frames and replaced with family pictures and wrote herself out of the catholic administration.

  Now she is coming every sunday , is a weekly biblestudent. Another married couple (both members of an evangelical church) are bible students. I also met them through door to door work. And a younger man is studying with me but i met him through informal witnessing
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  insidetheKH

  @data dog

  No,

  we are talking about facts! JW's are humans not rabbits
  

  average human death rates and birth rates are known

  the actual growth of average no. of publishers between 2004 and 2014 is also known, like i said 1.9 million

  you can do the math.

  
  
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  insidetheKH

  @magnum i understand what you mean but i consider other family connections not as born ins and so also result of witnessing/preaching work
  
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  DATA-DOG

  InsidetheKH: "Its obvious this cant come from births. They are (assuming that 100% of those kids become publishers) barely enough to keep up with death rate and nr of df'd/da'd ones."

  Teenage dubs getting baptized, riding around in cars and faking service time. Hourly requirements that are lower than ever. Kids younger than 10 getting baptized more and more, also riding around for hours, counting time as "publishers." Being a publisher is as easy as long as you remember to show up and breathe.

  Trying to claim that a huge factor for growth is not from born-ins, is just plain ludicrous.

  DD
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  insidetheKH

  my last comment for today

  It seems that you're saying that JW growth rate (baptisms) is greater than JW birth rate, and that therefore, there must be JW recruits from outside JWdom. In other words, it seems that you're saying that if, for example, JW growth (baptisms) is 1.5%, and birth rate among JWs is only 1%, that some of those baptized must be coming from the outside due to the preaching work. If that's what you're saying, then your argument is flawed for several reasons.

  birthrate about 1.5% death rate 0.8% df'd/da'd/inactive about 0.4%

  so if you look only at the birth rate and death/df'd rate you will see that there will be (from births) a net annual growth of 0.3% left

  but instead of that the actual annual growth is between 2 and 2.5%
  

  So the question is who are those people that represent between 1.7% and 2.2% ? I agree that a part of them can be other kind of family members (which in my opinion still fall under the witnessing/preaching work) but still a large part of the growth must come from outsiders.
  
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  insidetheKH

  @DD instead of ranting try to produce some intelligent and factual thoughts.

  I will have a look tomorrow if you were able to do so.

  have a nice evening
  
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  Ignoranceisbliss

  ITKH

  You are so sincere! Way more than I ever was. I can't wait till you decide to join the dark side. It's just a matter of time with all of the bad association that you are indulged in on this site.