Why did he do it?

by ozziepost 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Have you wondered why God allowed the Watchtower organisation to start in the first place?

    Is it really God's organisation, that's just got corrupted?

    Was it ever God's organisation?

    The Christian viewpoint is that everything is under God's control. Scriptures such as Romans 9:17,18 are indications of this. "For the Scripture says to Pharoah: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to show mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden."

    Also, Romans 8:28 "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

    So, just like Pharoah, was it God's intention for us to become JWs so that we could later become........?

    Why did he allow the WTBTS to be?

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "You can know the law by heart, without knowing the heart of it"
    Philip Yancey, What's So Amazing About Grace?

  • bboyneko
    bboyneko

    If you beleive in God and that he has a purpose for everything, then why did he allow this to happen:

    (CNN) -- Two teenage lovers in North India have been hanged to death by their parents, who opposed their inter-caste relationship, The Times of India has reported.

    The relationship was exposed Monday night when their parents, acting on a tip-off from locals, caught the lovers during a rendezvous on the outskirts of the village in Uttar Pradesh.

    Family members angered at the affair, took the pair -- Vishal and Sonu -- to the roof of a house and hanged them.

    The girl's parents and the boy's elder brother and sister-in-law were witnesses to the hanging, the Indian Express quoted District police chief B S Moriya as saying.

    Moriya was reported as saying that the couple had been warned by their families that they would punished if they did not put a halt to their relationship.

    Sonu was a Jat while Vishal was a Brahmin.

    The entire village was opposed to the affair, the Indian Express stated, adding that no village members came forth to report the deaths.

    A total of six people have been arrested, including four members of Sonu's family -- her father, mother and two brothers. Vishal's family have evaded arrest.

    There are several versions of the incident being reported.

    One version said a manhunt was launched after Sonu and Vishal eloped on Monday night and that they were found and then hanged by the crowd.

    A separate report claimed that the couple decided to end their lives because their relationship was not and never would be tolerated by the village.

    So did god really have a purpose here? Was he trying to show us something? Were those kids killed so god could prove a point?

    I think the evidence points to God, if he exists, not giving a sh$% about us and what we do.

    -Dan

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    I beleive that God created man with freedom great freedom.

    This freedom can be used for tremendous good or bad.

    God is love. You can't really have or show real love unless you are free to not show love.

    Real love can not exist with out freedom.

    The WT org. existence is because of freedom that God everybody. They will have to answer to God for how they have misused their freedom, someday.

    In the mean time how do each of us use our free will, what will we do we are free to decide.

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    Mornin' Ozzie:

    I would so dearly love to have an answer to these questions.

    Since leaving that which I spent my whole life believing and trying hard to be loyal and acceptable, I have been groping around trying to find what I believe in now. I wonder even sometimes whether the Bible really is God's word.

    I want to believe it is and follow its teachings and principles, but when there are so many variations, in different translations, to important statements determining a belief, it is difficult to form an opinion sometimes.

    I want to believe God cares but there are too many 'whys' that just don't add up, and the more I look into things and find out more that the WTS was wrong on, the more I feel confused.

    I feel now just like those we used to preach to...the ones that are searching and wanting to know 'what is God's purpose for man'.

    Did we need the WTS to teach us good principles? There are many "in the world" that have just as good if not better principles and morals.

    I hope you and anyone else, can supply some answers...or do we just have to keep on searching for the answer?

    I understand why 'bboyneko' feels God doesn't care, when we see stories like he related happening over and over again. I don't want to believe God doesn't care, but then that "why" keeps coming up.

    I guess until I have the answer, I'll just keep on searching.

    Cheers my friend,

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Had Enough,

    I'll see if Amos can look in on this thread. He's been very helpful to Mrs Ozzie and I in coming to some understanding of this topic.

    In the meantime, I must get some shuteye. Goodnight for now.

    Cheers,
    Ozzzzzzzzzeeeeee

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    Thanks Ozzie:

    Nitie-nite!

  • Jigrigger
    Jigrigger

    Hi Ozzie,

    I think when one wants to determine if the the JWs are "God's" organization, or if they ever were, it is helpful to take a look at how this "organization" came to be.

    I saved a post from the old H2O wherein the poster (I thank him/her for posting this, tho I can't remember the name of the poster) gave a comprehensive history of the WT organization.

    Read on...

    A Short History of the Watchtower
    Organization

    Jehovah's Witnesses trace their origins to the nineteenth century Adventist movement in America.
    That movement began with William Miller, a Baptist lay preacher who, in the year 1816, began
    proclaiming that Christ would return in 1843. His predictions of the Second Coming or Second
    Advent captured the imagination of thousands in Baptist and other mainline churches. Perhaps as
    many as 50,000 followers put their trust in Miller's chronological calculations and prepared to
    welcome the Lord, while, as the appointed time approached, others watched nervously from a
    distance. Recalculations moved the promised second advent from March, 1843 to March, 1844,
    and then to October of that year. Alas, that date too passed uneventfully.

    After the "Disappointment of 1844" Miller's following fell apart, with most of those who had looked
    to him returning to their respective churches before his death in 1849. But other disappointed
    followers kept the movement alive, although in fragmented form. Their activities eventually led to the
    formation of several sects under the broad heading of "Adventism" including the Advent Christian
    Church, the Life and Advent Union, the Seventh-Day Adventists, and various Second Adventist
    groups.

    An interesting side-note: The Branch Davidians who died at Waco, Texas, under the leadership of
    David Koresh also trace their roots to the same Millerite source through a different line of descent.
    In 1935 the Seventh Day Adventist Church expelled a Bulgarian immigrant named Victor Houteff,
    who had begun teaching his own views on certain passages of the Revelation or Apocalypse, the
    last book of the Bible. Houteff set up shop on the property at Waco. After first referring to his tiny
    new sect as The Shepherd's Rod, Houteff and his people in 1942 incorporated and renamed
    themselves Davidian Seventh Day Adventists. Houteff died in 1955, and in 1961 his wife Florence
    officially disbanded the sect, but a few followers under the leadership of west Texas businessman
    Benjamin Roden took over the real estate. Roden died in 1978, leaving behind his wife Lois and his
    son George to lead the group. Then, in 1987, David Koresh took over the leadership position, and
    the tragedy that followed is public knowledge.

    Jehovah's Witnesses, likewise, trace their roots back to the Adventists. But they do not often admit
    this to outsiders; nor do many Witnesses know the details themselves. JWs are accustomed to
    defending themselves against the charge that they are a new religious cult. They will often respond
    that theirs is the most ancient religious group, older than Catholic and Protestant churches. In fact,
    their book Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose asserts that "Jehovah's witnesses have a
    history almost 6,000 years long, beginning while the first man, Adam, was still alive," that Adam's
    son Abel was "the first of an unbroken line of Witnesses," and that "Jesus' disciples were all
    Jehovah's witnesses [sic] too." (pp. 8-9)

    An outsider listening to such claims quickly realizes, of course, that the sect has simply appropriated
    unto itself all the characters named in the Bible as faithful witnesses of God. By such extrapolation
    the denomination is able to stretch its history back to the beginnings of the human family-at least in
    the eyes of adherents who are willing to accept such arguments. But outside observers generally
    dismiss this sort of rhetoric and instead reckon the Witnesses as dating back only to Charles Taze
    Russell, who was born on February 16, 1852, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

    Originally raised a Presbyterian, Russell was 16 years old and a member of the Congregational
    church in the year 1868, when he found himself losing faith. He had begun to doubt not only church
    creeds and doctrines, but also God and the Bible itself. At this critical juncture a chance encounter
    restored his faith and placed him under the influence of Second Adventist preacher Jonas Wendell.

    For some years after that Russell continued to study Scripture with and under the influence of
    various Adventist laymen and clergy, notably Advent Christian Church minister George Stetson and
    the Bible Examiner's publisher George Storrs. He met locally on a regular basis with a small circle of
    friends to discuss the Bible, and this informal study group came to regard him as their leader or
    pastor.

    In January, 1876, when he was 23 years old, Russell received a copy of The Herald of the
    Morning, an Adventist magazine published by Nelson H. Barbour of Rochester, New York. One of
    the distinguishing features of Barbour's group at that time was their belief that Christ returned
    invisibly in 1874, and this concept presented in The Herald captured Russell's attention. It meant
    that this Adventist splinter group had not remained defeated, as others had, when Christ failed to
    appear in 1874 as Adventist leaders had predicted; somehow this small group had managed to hold
    onto the date by affirming that the Lord had indeed returned at the appointed time, only invisibly.

    Was this mere wishful thinking, coupled with a stubborn refusal to admit the error of failed
    chronological calculations? Perhaps, but Barbour had some arguments to offer in support of his
    assertions. In particular, he came up with a basis for reinterpreting the Second Coming as an
    invisible event: In Benjamin Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott translation of the New Testament the word
    rendered coming in the King James Version at Matthew 24:27, 37, 39 is translated presence
    instead. This served as the basis for Barbour's group to advocate, in addition to their time
    calculations, an invisible presence of Christ.

    Although the idea appealed to young Charles Taze Russell, the reading public apparently refused to
    'buy' the story of an invisible Second Coming, with the result that N. H. Barbour's publication The
    Herald of the Morning was failing financially. In the summer of 1876 wealthy Russell paid Barbour's
    way to Philadelphia and met with him to discuss both beliefs and finances. The upshot was that
    Russell became the magazine's financial backer and was added to the masthead as an Assistant
    Editor. He contributed articles for publication as well as monetary gifts, and Russell's small study
    group similarly became affiliated with Barbour's.

    Russell and Barbour believed and taught that Christ's invisible return in 1874 would be followed
    soon afterward, in the spring of 1878 to be exact, by the Rapture-the bodily snatching away of
    believers to heaven. When this expected Rapture failed to occur on time in 1878, The Herald's
    editor, Mr. Barbour, came up with "new light" on this and other doctrines. Russell, however,
    rejected some of the new ideas and persuaded other members to oppose them. Finally, Russell quit
    the staff of the Adventist magazine and started his own. He called it Zion's Watch Tower and
    Herald of Christ's Presence and published its first issue with the date July, 1879. In the beginning it
    had the same mailing list as The Herald of the Morning and considerable space was devoted to
    refuting the latter on points of disagreement, Russell having taken with him a copy of that magazine's
    mailing list when he resigned as assistant editor.

    At this point Charles Russell no longer wanted to consider himself an Adventist, nor a Millerite. But,
    he continued to view Miller and Barbour as instruments chosen by God to lead His people in the
    past. The formation of a distinct denomination around Russell was a gradual development. His
    immediate break was, not with Adventism, but with the person and policies of N. H. Barbour.

    Nor were barriers immediately erected with respect to Protestantism in general. New readers
    obtaining subscriptions to Zion's Watch Tower were often church members who saw the magazine
    as a para-church ministry, not as an anti-church alternative. Russell traveled about speaking from the
    pulpits of Protestant churches as well as to gatherings of his own followers. In 1879, the year of his
    marriage to Maria Frances Ackley and also the year he began publishing Zion's Watch Tower,
    Russell organized some thirty study groups or congregations scattered from Ohio to the New
    England coast. Each local "class" or ecclesia came to recognize him as "Pastor," although geography
    and Russell's writing and publishing activities prevented more than an occasional pastoral visit in
    person.

    Inevitably, Russell's increasingly divergent teachings forced his followers to separate from other
    church bodies and to create a denomination of their own. Beginning, as he did, in a small branch of
    Adventism that went to the extreme of setting specific dates for the return of Christ and the Rapture,
    Russell went farther out on a limb in 1882 by openly rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity. His earlier
    mentor Nelson H. Barbour was a Trinitarian, as was The Herald of the Morning's other assistant
    editor John H. Paton who joined Russell in leaving Barbour to start Zion's Watch Tower. The
    writings of Barbour and Paton that Russell had helped publish or distribute were Trinitarian in their
    theology. And the Watch Tower itself was at first vague and noncommittal on the subject. It was
    only after Paton broke with him in 1882, and ceased to be listed on the masthead, that Russell
    began writing against the doctrine of the Trinity.

    By the time of his death , Charles Taze Russell had traveled more than a million miles and preached
    more than 30,000 sermons. He had authored works totaling some 50,000 printed pages, and nearly
    20,000,000 copies of his books and booklets had been sold.

    Followers had been taught that Russell himself was the "faithful and wise servant" of Matthew 24:45
    and "the Laodicean Messenger," God's seventh and final spokesman to the Christian church. But he
    lived to see the failure of various dates he had predicted for the Rapture, and finally died on
    October 31, 1916, more than two years after the world was supposed to have ended, according to
    his calculations, in early October, 1914..

    His disciples, however, saw the World War then raging as reason to believe "the end" was still
    imminent. They buried Russell beneath a headstone identifying him as "the Laodicean Messenger,"
    and erected next to his grave a massive stone pyramid emblazoned with the cross and crown
    symbol he was fond of and the name "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society." (The pyramid still
    stands off Cemetery Lane in Ross, a northern Pittsburgh suburb, where it reportedly serves as the
    focal point of an eerie scene each Halloween as modern-day Russellites encircle it, holding hands, in
    a vigil commemorating the day of his death.)

    According to instructions Russell left behind, his successor to the presidency would share power
    with an editorial committee and with the Watch Tower corporation's board of directors, whom
    Russell had appointed "for life." But vice president Joseph Franklin ("Judge") Rutherford soon set
    about concentrating all organizational authority in his own hands. A skilled lawyer who had served
    as Russell's chief legal advisor, he combined legal prowess with what opponents undoubtedly saw
    as a Machiavellian approach to internal corporate politics. Thus he used a loophole in their
    appointment to unseat the majority of the Watch Tower directors without calling a membership
    vote. And he even had a subordinate summon the police into the Society's Brooklyn headquarters
    offices to break up their board meeting and evict them from the premises. (Faith on the March by
    A. H. Macmillan, pp. 78-80)

    After securing the headquarters complex and the sect's corporate entities, Rutherford turned his
    attention to the rest of the organization. By gradually replacing locally elected elders with his own
    appointees, he managed to transform a loose collection of semi-autonomous democratically-run
    congregations into a tight-knit organizational machine run from his office. Some local congregations
    broke away, forming such Russellite splinter groups as the Chicago Bible Students, the Dawn Bible
    Students, and the Laymen's Home Missionary Movement, all of which continue to this day. But
    most Bible Students remained under his control, and Rutherford renamed them "Jehovah's
    Witnesses" in 1931, to distinguish them from these other groups.

    Meanwhile, he shifted the sect's emphasis from the individual "character development" Russell had
    stressed to vigorous public witnessing work, distributing the Society's literature from house to house.
    By 1927 this door-to-door literature distribution had become an essential activity required of all
    members. The literature consisted primarily of Rutherford's unremitting series of attacks against
    government, against Prohibition, against "big business," and against the Roman Catholic Church. He
    also forged a huge radio network and took to the air waves, exploiting populist and anti-Catholic
    sentiment to draw thousands of additional converts. His vitriolic attacks, blaring from portable
    phonographs carried to people's doors and from the loudspeakers of sound cars parked across
    from churches, also drew down upon the Witnesses mob violence and government persecution in
    many parts of the world.

    Like Russell, Rutherford tried his hand at prophecy and predicted that biblical patriarchs Abraham,
    Isaac and Jacob would be resurrected in 1925 to rule as princes over the earth. (Millions Now
    Living Will Never Die, 1920, pp. 89-90) They failed to show up, of course, and Rutherford quit
    predicting dates. In fact, referring to that prophetic failure he later admitted, "I made an ass of
    myself." (The Watchtower, October 1, 1984, p. 24)

    Vice President Nathan Homer Knorr inherited the presidency upon Rutherford's death in 1942 but
    left doctrinal matters largely in the hands of Frederick W. Franz, who joined the sect under Russell
    and had been serving at Brooklyn headquarters since 1920. Lacking the personal magnetism and
    charisma of Russell and Rutherford, Knorr focused followers' devotion on the 'Mother' organization
    rather than on himself.

    After decades of publishing books and booklets authored by its presidents Russell and Rutherford,
    the Watchtower Society began producing literature that was written anonymously. But it was not
    impersonal, since the organization itself was virtually personified, and readers were directed to
    "show our respect for Jehovah's organization, for she is our mother and the beloved wife of our
    heavenly Father, Jehovah God." (The Watchtower, May 1, 1957, p. 285)

    A superb administrator, Knorr shifted the sect's focus from dynamic leadership to dynamic
    membership. He initiated training programs to transform members into effective recruiters. Instead
    of carrying a portable phonograph from house to house, playing recordings of "Judge" Rutherford's
    lectures at people's doorsteps, the average Jehovah's Witness began receiving instruction on how to
    speak persuasively. Men, women, and children learned to give sermons at the doors on a variety of
    subjects.

    Meanwhile Fred Franz worked behind the scenes to restore faith in the sect's chronological
    calculations, a subject largely ignored following Rutherford's prophetic failure in 1925. The revised
    chronology established Christ's invisible return as having taken place in 1914 rather than 1874, and,
    during the 1960's, the Society's publications began pointing to the year 1975 as the likely time for
    Armageddon and the end of the world.

    The prevailing belief among Jehovah's Witnesses today is that the Society never predicted "the end"
    for 1975, but that some over-zealous members mistakenly read this into the message. However, the
    official prediction is well documented. See, for example, the article titled "Why Are You Looking
    Forward to 1975?" in The Watchtower of August 15, 1968, pp. 494-501. Allowing for a small
    margin of error, it concludes a lengthy discussion with this thought: "Are we to assume from this
    study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for
    thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the
    seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign
    of Christ. . . . It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years." (p. 499) For several
    other quotes pointing specifically to 1975, see the book Index of Watchtower Errors (by David A.
    Reed, Baker Book House, 1990) pages 106-110.

    Knorr's training programs for proselytizing, plus Franz' apocalyptic projections for 1975, combined
    to produce rapid growth in membership, the annual rate of increase peaking at 13.5 percent in
    1974. All of this pushed meeting attendance at JW Kingdom Halls from around 100,000 in 1941 to
    just under 5 million in 1975. Growth since then has been slower, but fairly steady in most years, with
    the result that nearly 11.5 million gathered at Kingdom Halls in the spring of 1992 for the Witnesses'
    annual communion or "Memorial" service commemorating Christ's death with unleavened bread and
    red wine.

    During the 1970's changes took place at Watchtower headquarters in regard to presidential power.
    First it became accepted in theory that the Christian Church (which Jehovah's Witnesses see their
    organization as encompassing) should not be under one-man rule, but rather should be governed by
    a body similar to the twelve apostles. The 7-member board of directors of the Watch Tower Bible
    and Tract Society of Pennsylvania had previously been portrayed as fulfilling this role, but in 1971
    an expanded Governing Body was created with a total of eleven members, including the seven
    Directors. The aim was to demonstrate that the leadership derived authority from an apostolic
    source, rather than from Pennsylvania corporate law.

    This new Governing Body was displayed as further evidence of the sect's being the one true church,
    but in actuality Nathan Knorr continued to rule Jehovah's Witnesses much as Russell and Rutherford
    had done before him. That is, until 1975, when Governing Body members began insisting on
    exercising the powers granted to them in theory but that had never really been theirs in practice.
    Over the objections of Fred Franz the Body that he had been instrumental in creating actually began
    governing, so that when Nathan Knorr passed away in 1977 Franz inherited an emasculated
    presidency.

    Franz also inherited an organization troubled by discontent over the obvious failure of his prophecies
    of the world's end in the autumn of 1975. Even at Brooklyn headquarters little groups meeting
    privately for Bible study were beginning to question not only the 1914-based chronology that
    produced the 1975 deadline, but also the related teaching that the "heavenly calling" of believers
    ended in 1935, with new converts after that date consigned to an earthly paradise for their eternal
    reward.

    The hitherto fast-growing sect actually began losing members for the first time in decades, as people
    who had expected Armageddon in 1975 became disillusioned. When membership loss grew into
    the hundreds of thousands-a fact masked by new conversions in figures released by the Society, but
    reported in an investigative article in the Los Angeles Times of January 30, 1982 (pp.
    4-5)-president Franz and the conservative majority on the Governing Body took action. In the
    spring of 1980 they initiated a crack-down on dissidents, breaking up the independent Bible study
    groups at headquarters, and forming "judicial committees" to have those seen as ringleaders put on
    trial for "disloyalty" and "apostasy."

    By the time this purge culminated in the forced resignation and subsequent excommunication of the
    president's nephew and fellow Governing Body member Raymond V. Franz (a development Time
    magazine found worthy of a full-page article, Feb. 22, 1982, p. 66) a siege mentality took hold on
    the world-wide organization. Even Witnesses who left quietly and voluntarily for personal reasons
    were denounced as disloyal and were ordered shunned, former friends forbidden to say as much as
    "a simple 'Hello'" to them.

    Thus, although Frederick W. Franz served as the sect's chief theologian for some fifty years-from
    the start of Knorr's presidency in 1942 until his own death on December 22, 1992-the fact that he
    outlived his failed prophecies by more than fifteen years required him to impose a mini-Inquisition on
    the membership in order to keep his doctrinal and chronological framework in force for the
    remainder of his lifetime.

    Milton G. Henschel's selection as fifth Watchtower president on December 30, 1992, is truly
    significant for the 13 million now attending Kingdom Halls. At first glance the choice of a staunch
    conservative for the post may seem to guarantee a continuation of the status quo, with little change
    in the offing for Jehovah's Witnesses. But a closer look reveals this appointment as the conservative
    old guard's last stand-an indication that radical change in the sect's leadership and doctrines is
    imminent.

    At age 72 Henschel became the second-youngest member of the Governing Body, and he was
    selected to lead by men several years older than he is. (Both the average age and the median age at
    the time of Henschel's appointment calculated out to about 82 years.) With members in their eighties
    known to sleep through meetings and to vote on matters upon being awakened (See eyewitness
    Raymond Franz's account in his book Crisis of Conscience, p. 40.) the Body is losing its ability to
    provide purposeful and decisive leadership. Henschel was no doubt chosen in part due to his having
    vitality others lacked. Obviously, these aging leaders will not be able to hold the reigns of power
    much longer. The men who shared in building the Watchtower into what it is today will soon leave it
    behind for others to run.

    In the decades following the death of founder Charles Taze Russell, his successor J. F. Rutherford
    found himself forced to re-write many of the sect's major doctrines. Much the same can be
    expected when JWs of a new generation inherit the positions currently occupied by Milton Henschel
    and his fellow elderly Governing Body members. When new leaders eventually take over, will they
    drop the ban on blood transfusions? Only time will tell. But, even if they do, it will make no
    difference for those who have already died, nor for those Witnesses continuing to die while the
    teaching remains in place.

    Adapted from the book "Worse Than Waco: Jehovah's Witnesses Hide a Tragedy" copyright ©
    1993 by David A. Reed, P.O. Box 819, Assonet, MA 02702. For a more detailed account of
    Watchtower history see the book "BLOOD ON THE ALTAR" by David A. Reed (Amherst, NY:
    Prometheus Publishers, 1996).

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    Jrig

  • AMOS
    AMOS

    Dear Had enough,

    Strangely enough, the only two things I am thankful to the org for is that I believed in God and believed in the Bible which helped me no end in the depths of darkness and loss. I was 3rd generation WT brainwashed. No other exposure to anything. My husband was "high up", both had been in Bethel, etc etc. Ultra devotion was our scene. As a teenager I read a book by an ex JW, and whilst agreeing with his exposures of the organisation, where else do you go? It's like saying, the earth is bad, rotten, no good to live here, but where do you go that can sustain life? The moon? Mars? I did not understand the author’s concepts about Jesus or about the real "good news". The JWs in their wisdom, put out Byingtons Bible, and being a good JW bought it and used it as my reading Bible. I came across Ephesians 2:8,9 and asked my most learned husband "What does grace mean" and from that point my JW world started falling apart. One thing I am grateful to the JWs for is my deep belief in God and his Word, but now I didn't trust the WT version of the Bible anymore and started using a Hebrew and Greek interlinear. I also had thousands of why's and how come's? Stuff I started finding out about the translation, about the organisation was horrific for me. My husband was very angry because I was reading Christian literature as well - The Fight by John White, (I actually found out that eternal life is free – you cannot buy it, you cannot work for it, you cannot earn it) - Basic Christianity by John Stott. Whilst I have multiple comments in the margins about doctrine (after all I didn't know I was brainwashed) I learned about the love of God and dared to think that He might actually love me. With all the organisational work, never being sure whether or not I was going to survive Armageddon anyway, (I might sin fatally just the day before) I had started to come to view Jehovah as some sort of volcano, and here we were as JWs - as poor villagers at the foot of the volcano, running up and down the mountain with our vegetables and trinkets, selling our magazines, trying to make an offering to this angry mountain and stop the lava flow coming down to destroy us all. Even my dear devoted JW father used to say that the organisation was full of "redbacks" - lethal spiders in Ozzie land!

    I also recall when I was trying to fit and box everything in my mind, rationalise all the answers, that I had this experience where I saw myself witnessing at the door to a Roman Catholic. Here I saw myself trying to "prove" the JWs were right, and the RC saying to me" Oh yes, I am looking for the truth and deeply searching for it but I know the Roman Catholic church is right and the Pope gives us direction". It hit me like a slap in the head that this is exactly what I was doing as a JW. I had set my parameters when searching for the truth - parameters set by the WT organisation so that one CANNOT find the TRUTH because we are using JW guidelines. It was at that point, in total terror - I thought the earth was going to swallow me up that scenes of that horrendous brainwashing episode at the last convention I had been to about Dathan and the rest being swallowed up for questioning Moses/Aaron? washed over me. But up until that time I had never asked the ultimate question - Is it God's organisation and what evidence do I have? I was physically ill thinking that Jehovah was going to strike me down for this thought, but that's when I told Him, "I want to serve you, I want to follow you, I want to find the truth from you, I don't know what to do, I don't know where to go, I don't know whom to trust, if it's your organisation, then show me, if it's not then show me so that I cannot misinterpret." Strangely, the two "tests" I put to Jehovah to show me if it was his organisation or not came to reality within 24 hours. Very merciful of Him. Then I rested, went to the meetings like a moron (true sense)just listening.

    My suggestion is GO SLOW. Read a different version of the Bible. Some of the answers (your major ones) will be answered, some never will this side of eternal life. After all, if we are truly dealing with God, then his subjects can’t possibly interpret and predict His every move. When we box God – it might make us feel better with false answers for a period – but then we are not dealing with the God of the Universe, only one of our own making, which ultimate is an image and hence idolatry.
    Keep knocking and keep searching. Anything too difficult just put into the “too hard basket for the time being” and just keep going. There are thousands of supporters here for you.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Glad to see you made it, Amos, in your busy schedule.

    Good comments, thanks for sharing.

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

  • OlderTom
    OlderTom

    To Had Enough

    You are not alone many of us have asked ourself the same questions. Some times we know what the answer is but we refuse to accept it because we want something better.

    We all know the answer to "where else can we go to?" Jesus said that HE was the one to follow not some social club. The question is not where but WHO.

    I am still looking for truth but I am starting to accept there may not be any truth, real truth, absolute truth. Everyones truth is diferent because we all look at something from a diferent perspective and from a diferent background.

    What looks like truth to me may not be truth for you.

    The bible is full of contradictions and nonsensical statements. As a witness I was always told it is MY fault. I just don't understand. Theses contradictions are not there. It is me who doesn't understand.

    I discovered that many claim to feel the holy spirit acting on them and to have special powers of perseptions. When asked, Can you feel the spirit? Many can't feel it but they say they do because they don't want to admit they are different. Or not christian enough. Or not holy enough. It's all a giant con game.

    Don't worry about your doubts. You are a thinker not a Witchtower clone. Keep reasoning on these things and don't try too hard to find the answer. If there is a god and he wants you he will send you a sign. After all that is not too much to ask for is it?

    The mind is like a parachute, it has to be OPEN to work properly.

    Many JDubs can't think outside the Witchtower circle. Having to think and decide whats best for yourself is too much of a struggle for some people. Some join the army some join a religion to do the thinking for them. I prefere to make my own mistakes and learn from them.

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