Ponderings on facing the afternoon of my life....

by DanTheMan 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • jaffacake
    jaffacake
    I've narrowed it down to three possible paths:

    A hearty, laughing, defiant embrace of life in spite of all. (The Nietszche option)

    A penitent, humble embrace of a mystical, subjective, personal religiousness (The Kierkegaard option)

    Strict rationalism, determinism, all science-ey and stuff, complete rejection of all metaphysical notions (The Richard Dawkins, Ayn Rand, et al option)

    Hi,

    Why do you have to make a choice of 3 paths? What if your instincts and intuition take you down parts of all three, or another path? Making firm choices can be counter productive, I have found. I will now try to keep an open mind and make adjustments daily to my world view.. I was never a JW but something similar long ago, and confused ever since.

    At age 47 I have generally sorted out some of the stuff I do and don't believe, but still have many doubts. I read something this year that suddenly pulled together all my deeply intuitive sense of who I am and what I truly believe. For the first time I was made to see how to resolve my moral and religious paradoxes, and harmonise the religious and scientific beliefs. Uncertainty remains, of course, but that is healthy, not unhealthy, IMO.

    I wish I was 35

  • talesin
    talesin

    Wow, exactly what jaffacake said!!!

    Also, I offer you an alternate scenario,,

    "By the time I was 22, I had gotten so involved in the drug/violence culture that I was in prison. Now that I have my freedom, I realize how much of my life I have wasted. Not only do I have to play catch-up with the rest of my peers, but I have a criminal record, and all the memories that come with a 'prison career'. Even if I go back to school, I will still carry the weight of that record for the rest of my life."

    I am usually not one to say 'things could be worse',,, but in this case, just think about it! You saved yourself, by pouring your energies into a seemingly 'safe' belief system and an honorable way of life. You've escaped from the cult though, Dan, and there can be nothing but blue skies ahead. You'll get there.

    tal

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    I struggle with the same daily myself. What I think is that you cant be told which path to take, because only you know which is the path for you. You cant force yourself to be the hearty laugher if deep down that is not who you are. The hardest thing is to find who you are, accept who you are and not feel pressured to be what you are not.

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    I liked your post Dan.

    I've taken option 4 which is... waste four years of your life posting on the internet while you decide what to do.

  • prophecor
    prophecor
    And as a last resort, you could always marry an eighteen year old and buy a corvette

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  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie
    How do I find contentment and peace during this part of my life when I have so little to hang my hat on or to feel proud of? How do I live the rest of my life without despair and remorse over the lost opportunities and the unrealized potential? How do I solidify my identity and my place in society when I have neither of these things?

    I've narrowed it down to three possible paths:

    A hearty, laughing, defiant embrace of life in spite of all. (The Nietszche option)

    Dan, you won't regret taking the first path. This way you can take advantage of those opportunities which were never lost, though they may appear in a different venue and realize your potential, therefore solidifying your identity and your place in society.

    Frannie

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41

    Dan, guess what? Your feelings are absolutely normal for a guy your age!!! The thread title caught my eye because I went thru a process of realization about seven years ago, myself. I was a dub, an elder's wife, married almost twenty years............I ended up divorced, out of the borg, and basically have been on my own and making a new life since then. I am 48 right now, and I can HONESTLY tell you that the feelings and emotions you are going thru, which I went thru starting at age 40, are absolutely normal, necessary, and ultimately will help you come into your own personal strength, which will never fade...........this process is indeed a life transformation.

    Terri

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41
    I've narrowed it down to three possible paths:

    A hearty, laughing, defiant embrace of life in spite of all. (The Nietszche option)

    A penitent, humble embrace of a mystical, subjective, personal religiousness (The Kierkegaard option)

    Strict rationalism, determinism, all science-ey and stuff, complete rejection of all metaphysical notions (The Richard Dawkins, Ayn Rand, et al option)

    I LIKED THIS VERY MUCH! I've settled into a nice blend of the first and second paths, myself. ((((Dan))))

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41
    Take a Bite, Dan. A Huge Bite of Life. Savor it until it drips down your chin. Contrary to popular opinion, the world's a magnificent place, just waiting to be touched.

    Spoken like a true Cancer, Proph! and, totally understandable from someone who has read Rilke........"out beyond teachings of right and wrong there is a field, I'll meet you there" have you read anything by Hafiz yet?

    Terri, of part of the Cancer Tribe herself, class

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Hi everybody, sorry it took me so long to get back to this, I posted this last night (in a slightly alchohol-buzzed state of mind), submitted it, then went to bed and I just got up.

    myself:

    "One day at a time" is probably a good philosophy, not always easy to hold to it though. But thanks for the reminder.

    misanthropic:

    so happy to be alive

    I have moments to when I feel that way, but mostly my emotional state is one of existential dread and loneliness. lol

    fairchild:

    the contentment and the peace came almost suddenly

    See, that's what I keep waiting for. Not a moment when all my problems disappear, but a moment of transforming insight, a psychological "EUREKA!" It hasn't happened yet.

    Dawn:

    But after some time I decided rather than looking at the 25 years I lost, I would look ahead to the many years I still had to live

    I'm glad you were able to do this. I am constantly replaying past experiences (especially negative ones, or ones where I screwed up in some way or another) and it's a hard habit to break. Ya see, the thing is, is that, well, I've really said and done a lot of stupid shit in my life. There's so much that I wish I could do over.

    Proph:

    Take a Bite, Dan. A Huge Bite of Life. Savor it until it drips down your chin

    Lol, interestingly put, definitely Nietszche...I'll have to ponder that one a while...I've never heard of the book you mention but I'll check it out.

    Toronto Guy:

    Someone on this board recommended "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.

    I read that book a couple of years ago and I have to confess that it left me flat, but I know a lot of people really dig it.

    Cognitive Dissident:

    It sounds like we have a lot in common.

    The biggest source of comfort for me since I left is trying to actually get to know people, not just categorize them into subfolders within the parent folder of "the damned".

    Good one! One thing I'm not having much success with in my post-JW life is making friends, perhaps it's the judgemental tendencies that I had all along but became greatly exaggerated during the JW years that is contributing to this. I think this judgementalness, this distrusting nature is a big part of my general social anxiety.

    jaffacake:

    Why do you have to make a choice of 3 paths?

    I feel like I need some guiding philosophy to ground myself, to give me a coherent sense of how I want to approach my remaining years. That's why I offered the three choices. JWism, for all it's goofiness, gave me a sense of purpose. And it's the loss of that that I am still mourning, even though a good chunk of time has passed now since I left. And so I keep waiting for that EUREKA! moment that I mentioned before, where all of the sudden I intuitively grasp something that I didn't before, and I'm able to be at peace with my past and finally look forward to the future, which I gather is what happened with you earlier this year.

    talesin,

    I offer you an alternate scenario

    Yeah, it could have been worse, but that doesn't stop me from lamenting what could have been so much better. Really, I was a hopless misfit in the drug scene. A total space-cadet. lol. "Wake up Dan!" was one of the favorite taunts of my dope-smoking "friends". Those were painful times, it's the years between about 17 and 21 that I regret the most.

    jwfacts,

    You cant force yourself to be the hearty laugher

    Yeah, Nietszche's Ubermensch doesn't seem like an ideal that I can live up to. The Kierkegaard option is most appealing, I guess maybe that's the ground I'm most familiar with, having been brought up in a strong Catholic family and then the whole JW thing.

    ballistic,

    I've taken option 4 which is... waste four years of your life posting on the internet while you decide what to do.

    ROFL! Yeah, I'm guilty of this too.

    Frannie Banannie,

    Dan, you won't regret taking the first path

    I wouldn't have guessed you to be the Nietszche type :). I certainly hope that life affords me more experiences to shine instead of retreating to the shadows, as I did with JWism.

    Sunnygal:

    Your feelings are absolutely normal for a guy your age(...) can HONESTLY tell you that the feelings and emotions you are going thru, which I went thru starting at age 40, are absolutely normal, necessary, and ultimately will help you come into your own personal strength, which will never fade...........this process is indeed a life transformation

    The inspiration for this thread was my reading Jung last night (wow, what an interesting life I lead, drinking beer and reading CG Jung on a Saturday night) and the part I was reading had quite a bit to say about the various psychological "crashes" that happen to people my age. And a couple of them really hit me hard. So I know that I'm at a critical point right now, hence this urgent searching for a path out of the inner confusion that I have been in ever since leaving dubland. So you've narrowed it down to a combination of Nietszche and Kierkegaard eh? A volatile mixture!

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