Is this love? It feels like the flu...

by Ingenuous 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat
    He must love you so much but can't face the woman you've become.

    Doof, sometime, I'll post a picture of me. And then I'll post a picture of my mother. I am the spitting image of her. Scary actually. LOL They divorced when I was four. I think he has a hard time with me because I remind him of a very bitter time in his life.

  • doofdaddy
    doofdaddy

    Hmmm

    Get him to email and I'll charge him $150 an hour to listen to him. Ha ha

    One thing I learned from hinduism is live in the present. The past is an illusion, the future is unknown, now is reality.

    Look forward to your photos. I reckon you have already sorted this one out a long time ago, shame about him eh?

  • Ingenuous
    Ingenuous

    You guys rock!

    Forever daddies little girl.

    So when daughter gets her own opinion, dad hits the roof...

    Sons eventually get respect but daughters??

    Doofdaddy - you know, I've thought about this. I was the "good one", the firstborn, the one who "spoiled" my parents because I was so easy to raise, so compliant, so eager to please. I was supposed to stay that way, especially when it came to looking to my Dad, the first and only significant guy in my life, as my spiritual and intellectual "head." My clarity of thought and determination to find answers has been interpreted as disrespect. While I've been accused of being disrespectful of my mother, it's the confidence I've displayed around my father for the first time in my life that's really bothering them/him.

    I remember asking my father questions as a little girl and he wouldn't answer them. He'd always ask me questions back, like, "What do you think it is?" "What do you know about it so far?" "How do you think that works?" It used to annoy me that he wouldn't just answer the questions, but I didn't realize at that young age what he was doing. He was teaching me to think for myself. Ironic that it's that very thing that led me out of the organization to begin with. I wonder sometimes if he realizes that.

    Andi - you took the words right out of my brain! While, when I was little, we played the "Daddies know everything" game, my questions were usually answered with an exasperating "Look it up." I was taught very young to ask questions and research and find proof and reason. Amazing that they can't appreciate the "monster" they've created by teaching me to think, raising a closet feminist. I'm grateful for what they've unwittingly given me - they've only got themselves to blame. And my heart breaks reading the things your Dad said to you, Andi. You stood there and listened to the words so many of us fear, words we know are secreted away in their hearts, words we're sure will kill us if they're ever spoken aloud. I'm deeply impressed by your strength and maturity and, if I may be so bold, am proud at what you've done with/because of/despite those words.

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat
    Andi - you took the words right out of my brain! While, when I was little, we played the "Daddies know everything" game, my questions were usually answered with an exasperating "Look it up." I was taught very young to ask questions and research and find proof and reason.

    OMG, this was my house growing up! LOL! As a result, I really do enjoy history and researching cultures and learning about other worlds. I find it fascinating. Thus seeing all the proof against the Watchtower, it just boggles my mind that we believed that stuff. And that 6 million others still do.

    Amazing that they can't appreciate the "monster" they've created by teaching me to think, raising a closet feminist. I'm grateful for what they've unwittingly given me - they've only got themselves to blame.

    I'm so grateful as well! That's why I find it so confounding that they don't SEE that I'm doing exactly what they taught me to do - QUESTION EVERYTHING!

    And my heart breaks reading the things your Dad said to you, Andi. You stood there and listened to the words so many of us fear, words we know are secreted away in their hearts, words we're sure will kill us if they're ever spoken aloud. I'm deeply impressed by your strength and maturity and, if I may be so bold, am proud at what you've done with/because of/despite those words.

    I firmly believe that fathers must especially be careful with the relationship they have with their daughters. Few truly understand how integral they are to their daughters' futures. Most women don't realize it, but they unconsciously base all of their male relationships on the healthiness or unhealthiness of their relationship with their daddys. It's no wonder I dated abusive, angry, controlling men for many years after that. It was "comfortable" for me. I thought it was perfectly normal and acceptable for a man to beat or scream at his girl when he was unhappy. It took years and thousands of dollars of therapy to unlearn that.

    I truly look forward to having a daughter with my husband. He is the kindest, gentlest, sweetest man I know. I am so blessed to be married to him, but someday our daughter will be doubly blessed to call him "Daddy." What a vision to anticipate!

  • doofdaddy
    doofdaddy

    Ingenuous

    You reckon we rock?

    Your words need to be filed for future reference!!!

    Most of the kids I dealt with as a youth worker were teenage girls having dramas with their dads. Really.

    Thankyou for your thoughtful comment/observation of your relationship with your dad

  • Aude_Sapere
    Aude_Sapere

    **the topic is not up for discussion**

    Sometimes this is the only way to proceed.
    There are several topics that are 'not up for discussion' with my family.

    It's tough but that's life. It's difficult.

    -Aude.

  • doofdaddy
    doofdaddy

    It's funny that we are on this subject as I just went and checked the snail mail and there was a card from my daughter!!!

    She saw this card while in the city with her boyfriend and it reminded her of me and where I live. It's a black and white picture of an ancient stone shack covered by the roots of a tree.

    The quote below says

    Progress means advancing towards a more desirable form

    She knows me too well

    I'm a proud dad

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