Now here is an interesting take on all things.....
http://www.crosscurrents.org/godand.htm
God and Science
by Shining One 49 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Shining One
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Perry
Nice read on Tillich.
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tetrapod.sapien
Certainly I see the scientific view of the world as incompatible with religion, but that is not what is interesting about it. It is also incompatible with magic, but that also is not worth stressing. What is interesting about the scientific world view is that it is true, inspiring, remarkable and that it unites a whole lot of phenomena under a single heading.
-- Richard Dawkins (attributed: source unknown)More generally it is completely unrealistic to claim, as Gould and many others do, that religion keeps itself away from science's turf, restricting itself to morals and values. A universe with a supernatural presence would be a fundamentally and qualitatively different kind of universe from one without. The difference is, inescapably, a scientific difference. Religions make existence claims, and this means scientific claims.
There is something dishonestly self-serving in the tactic of claiming that all religious beliefs are outside the domain of science. On the one hand, miracle stories and the promise of life after death are used to impress simple people, win converts, and swell congregations. It is precisely their scientific power that gives these stories their popular appeal. But at the same time it is considered below the belt to subject the same stories to the ordinary rigors of scientific criticism: these are religious matters and therefore outside the domain of science. But you cannot have it both ways. At least, religious theorists and apologists should not be allowed to get away with having it both ways. Unfortunately all too many of us, including nonreligious people, are unaccountably ready to let them.
-- Richard Dawkins, Richard Dawkins, "When Religion Steps on Science's Turf," Free Inquiry 18 no. 2 (1998): pp. 18-9, quoted from Victor J. Stenger, Has Science Found God? (2001) -
Shining One
Dawkins got it wrong, Tetly,
What is remarkable about the 'scientific' worldview is that it claims unobservable hypothesis as actual events, ignores data that doesn't 'fit' with the present theories, makes frivolous claims with a minimum of evidence. Dawkins is just another scientist that has specific beliefs about how the universe was formed and evolved. He fits the evidence into his worldview and like so many others, denies that is the case. What is it about presuppositions and axioms that you don't understand?
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rem
Hey Rex,
It just sounded like you were describing religion! :)
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stillajwexelder
claims unobservable hypothesis as actual events, ignores data that doesn't 'fit' with the present theories, makes frivolous claims with a minimum of evidence.
YES SOUNDS LIKE RELIGION TO ME
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Satanus
Shining one lives in an alternate universe, where science is a religion that is based on faith w no thing to support any of it's beliefs. In his universe, religion is daily proven through experiments in laboratories; demons isolated, labeled, placed in cold storage. Jesus regularly makes the rounds. God can be reached via special astrophones. The real miracle is that shiner can actually access this universe, that his words don't come out backwards, upside down or as gibberish. Logically, as soon as he touched anything on this side, there should be an anihalative reaction, similar to the reaction of matter to antimatter. Since none of us eartlings can see into that universe, we just have to trust that all he says about his universe is true.
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kid-A
And who was the first scientist, shiner? Could it be.......SATAN?????????????????
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tetrapod.sapien
satanus & kid-A,
LOL! you guys crack me up!
TS
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kid-A
LOL
Just remember Tetra, according to uncle rex, you and I are just another couple of wacky, communist, liberal left-wing Canadian scientists with an inferiority complex over all things american that just CANT understand AXIOMS or PRESUPPOSITIONS!!!!