TO: MAXIMUS & SEEKER--RE: TROLLISM OR TRUTH

by MadApostate 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    The XJW MAFIA's attack on myself has progressed from underhanded insinuations of "trollism", to AlanF's and Farkel's failed attempts last week to label me a "WTS Troll", to yesterday's fullblown attack conducted by Kent, Tina, and even some of their buddies posing as new posters. E.H. even accused me of being the same person as "Utilitarian Reformist". (Wrong!)

    Am I a "WTS Troll"?

    DEFINITELY NOT. As I have already challenged AlanF and Tina, if one or both are willing to put up $10,000 to support their slanderous accusations, I will personally visit a mutually-agreed panel of XJWs in my area and prove who I am, and gladly take their money. (Note that rather than accept my challnge, they just increase their attacks. What does that tell you?)

    Lurkers and occasional posters should note that what initiated this "persecution" was the fact that I had the audacity to point out to this DB that this Berry v. Watchtower Lawsuit is not as "legally" cut-and-dried as all the chest-thumpers and high-fivers have made it out to be to this DB. As has been pointed out, 99% of the effectiveness of this lawsuit will be the bad PR generated for the WTS. If this case WINS LEGALLY, it will be a miracle. I can find no "legal basis" for it succeeding, and I have posted the "legal reasons" for such, which none of the "MAFIA" are able to refute using legal arguments.

    THEN I pointed out to this DB that the Bryan Rees case has been DEAD since February 2000. This is another example of how some XJW authority figures have lied and mislead the XJW community. Certain XJWs have continued for the past 18 months to communicate that this case is still being considered by the US Supreme Court. The Rees lawsuit was so weak against the WTS that the Maine courts didn't even allow it to be tried. They dismissed it simply based on legalities. Then, when Rees tried to take it beyond the Maine courts, the US Supreme Court refused to even waste time listening to the case. This all occurred 18 months ago, yet some XJWs still misrepresent it to us as an active case with lots of potential.

    Other XJWs are constantly running their mouths about "numerous" civil lawsuits which the WTS has lost in the past. I don't doubt that "one or two" MAY POSSIBLY exist, but if they do, I can't locate such. The next time someone makes some wild allegation about the WTS losing ANY lawsuit, ask them to post the link!!! Doesn't it make sense that if there were NUMEROUS courtcases LOST by the WTS, all the XJW websites would have a section with nothing but those posted?

    NEXT, I joined with Seeker in pointing out that the WTS did nothing wrong in their filing a legal brief with the US Supreme Court when it was deciding whether religious groups could be forced by the states to collect sales tax on religious publications.

    SO, what's my CRIME? TRUTH and HONESTY?

    I'm sick of "some" XJWs doing the same manipulative things to "other" XJWs that the Borg has done to us in the past. If fellow XJWs have no problem misrepresenting the issues above to the XJW community, I am forced to wonder what other issues they are also misrepresenting?

    I fully support SilentLamb's goals to bring justice to abuse victims and derision on the WTS system that fostered that abuse. However, that effort should not be tainted with misrepresentations against the WTS, much less support obtained using misrepresentations to the XJW community.

    It is offensive that "some" XJWs use "shunning" and "disfellowshipping" against fellow XJWs to silence them just because they want complete truthfulness. Where else have we seen that occur?

    At some point, inquiring minds must ask what's the difference between the JW leadership and SOME prominent XJW leadership-types here? Currently, very little. They victimized us then, and continue to victimize us now!

    I'm sure that Kent, Tina, AlanF, Farkel, and all the recent "newbies" will pile on this thread. I have only one request, which the Board can obviously monitor to see whether these people are decent folk.
    Please allow Seeker and Maximus to first express their opinions whether MadApostate is a WTS Troll. From the short time I have been here, and have both fought and agreed with both, these two people are the only two "leader-types" who I perceive as preferring integrity over results. Give these two people their say, then the rest of you can crucify me.

    Let's see what happens!

  • Francois
    Francois

    You're in no position to make any posting rules.

    Frankly, I don't know who or what you are, and I see no reason to accept your representations as the final word on any legal issue of any kind. Legal issues are in the hands of a jury, not yours. You're of course welcome to your views and to express them as well. Representing them as final is quite over the top, don't you think?

    Since I'm a little fuzzy on the definition of "troll" perhaps you'd be willing to enlighten me [us] as to exactly what that term means?

    And finally, you seem to be a pretty exciteable guy. What's up? Someone must have hit pretty close to home to make you react like that. It's the stuck pig that squeals after all.

    Francois

    NOTE TO GOVERNING BODY: You've been challenged to a debate, boys. Dont you have ANY balls?

  • Kent
    Kent

    I don't use to label anyone "troll" - and I don't think I have done so in your case either.

    What I have said is that you obviously try to stirr up trouble by your accusations about other motives - and I have asked what could be the reason. I don't care if you're in the Governing Body - I just care when someone starts accusing all and everyone like you do.

    If you feel harassed because of me asking, I couldn't care less.

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    "The only difference between a fool and the JW legal department is that a fool might be sympathetic ."

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

  • Fredhall
    Fredhall

    Francoise,

    I wander why you would ask the GB if they have any balls? Are you looking for someone?

  • Eusebius Hieronymus
    Eusebius Hieronymus

    : E.H. even accused me of being the same person as "Utilitarian Reformist".

    Surely you jest. But apparently I am not permitted to. The thread you allude to was funny as all get-out, the comment was made about Russell as a shape-shifting alien, pyramids appearing in London, Rome and wherever.

    I took the opportunity for additional banter and humor, noting that the plans for the new London Bethel had now been exposed, even its design ... PYRAMID, get it?

    Please. You will pull my chain no more; I'm done with you.

    I will accept anybody at face value, as I have you, but I'm certainly not inclined to cooperate or dialogue with someone who shouts his demands and acts like a schoolyard bully.

    You call Maximus a jerk, a hatchetman of the Borg, lump him in with "Satan's spawn" and a few other choice insults after he had given you information you requested about the theme for the circuit assemblies. (Read the threads, he never called you a troll; Talleyman did.) Max did not respond in kind to your flaming and vulgarity. You now want him to vouch for you? You have to be kidding!

    You are correct in at least one thing, I know him to a man of great integrity. He even gave you the name of the attorney who represented Rees.

    : Now I know why you were once so successful as a Borg hatchetman and promoted up the Borg ladder. I have news for you asshole. I'm not a troll!!

    : But I'm also not one of your wimp groupies that kiss your ass because you were once one of the Borg proletariat(sp) who once victimized the rank and file.

    : FU!!!

    Not exactly a good motivational.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Besides, as I pointed out to you, by their own standards, the WTS did do something wrong in "filing a legal brief with the US Supreme Court when it was deciding whether religious groups could be forced by the states to collect sales tax on religious publications."

    You're right, it isn't as bad as I had heard, but their own words in the past do condemn them. They should have stayed out of it, due to appearances, and left it in Jehovah's capable hands.

    Don't you agree, MadApostate?

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    MadApostate refused to get in touch with me by telephone. I don't trust anyone who under these circumstances refuses personal contact with me. They have absolutely nothing to lose, not even the cost of a phone call. This guy's demand for a $10,000 bet is a transparent ploy and might fool JWs who enjoy being fooled anyway, but not intelligent people.

    I questioned -- but never accused -- two other people recently about being trolls (msil and Utopian Reformist). I gave my phone number. Eventually each called me, and I confirmed what they told me, and now I know they're not trolls.

    MadApostate on the other hand is definitely a troll. As a practicing JW, he wouldn't want to sully himself by actually talking to Satan's spawn. He also knows that I would use all of my contacts to verify his identity. Thus we find him shooting out octopus ink.

    AlanF

  • waiting
    waiting
    Thus we find him shooting out octopus ink.

    From where?

  • MadApostate
  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    The silence is deafening!

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