TO: MAXIMUS & SEEKER--RE: TROLLISM OR TRUTH

by MadApostate 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    Mad One,

    After a brief foray on the board yesterday morning, my wife told me to get a life. I did, with a delightful outing with all my family. Last night the server gave out those "log backup needed" messages we get once in awhile and it was probably 3 a.m. where Simon is. I say that so you won't make anything of 'deafening silence' until this morning.

    I said before that your comments about me 'reflect more about you than they do me.' Many have been severely hurt by those in positions of responsibility, and I'm painfully aware of that, getting regularly tarred by the sins of others. Goes with the territory. I take you at face value and assume you have been wounded. I say that not to excuse your lack of civility but to let you know I can have empathy for someone else's pain. In my entire history, no one has ever accused me of being a hatchetman. I gave you no reason to say that.

    On the board there is genuine misunderstanding of friend of the court briefs as well as the Rees case. I don't have time to write about everything, and much I don't read, period.

    I don't know how to be more definitive in saying Rees is deader than a doornail, and I recommend again in view of your keen interest in it that you do connect with attorney Waxman who will explain the limitations and peculiarities of New Hampshire law and why the case could not advance.

    As to Berry:

    : If this case WINS LEGALLY, it will be a miracle

    I disagree. Jeff Anderson didn't take the case hoping for a miracle, he relies on the law and his proven skills; his track record speaks for itself.

    : The Rees lawsuit was so weak against the WTS that the Maine courts didn't even allow it to be tried

    The suit was not weak, New Hampshire law precluded advancement. Again, check with Waxman; I'm not going to argue on this board.

    You have used such terms as media blitz, publicity and the like. That's a thin reed I and others are not leaning on. Our goal is not publicity, but to correct the injustices done to innocent children and to change the present policy. My comments made in another thread about Dateline are authentic as well.

    Rather than focus on the two witness rule and its own interests, the Society should be looking at Romans 13 and properly letting the Higher Power function in its intended way, with the Authority including medical and psychiatric authority in addition to legal authority. 'For it is God's minister.' Elders are not qualified to assess and judge the seriousness or genuineness of any act of abuse, and the ponderous machinery of judicial process should never be imposed on a child.

    Invariably the Society in its communications almost unwittingly conveys the sense they are out to protect themselves foremost, to reduce liability. Sure, they speak about children, but their communications are clear on what is paramount: self-preservation. Many of us are well aware how quick they have been to buy silence with money--and with insidious intimidation. You will not find that in court records but it will be exposed.

    Truth is precious to me and I will never bend it. Were I to do so, I would be no better than those whose deadly policies I have nothing but contempt for.

    Cordially,
    Maximus

  • Anchor
    Anchor

    This is not a thread to be buried. I picked up on some points in Maximus' last comments that rang chimes.

    I do not want to judge Mad Apostate like a look at the cover of the book either.

    -A

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Thank You Maximus,

    For your customary responsible and sensibly understated post.

    Any of us who have dealt with the managerial mentality that obsesses those who are in a position to bring change within the WTS will know that all the emotion and passion in the world is of little use in attempting a change in policy or affecting any sensible reform. Guile without conscience and practiced cunning are very much the tools of WTS Legal and I personally feel that some of the posting that takes place within this forum actually allows them advantage in the use of these tools.

    For myself I do not foresee the ‘toppling’ of the WTS as a realistic goal. I believe that this will not happen regardless of the issues of the moment. It will not ‘reform’ but it will evolve and I see these as separate actions. Reformation within the WTS requires an expression of will from those in a position to effect change and it just does not exist - Max I am sure will vouch for that. Evolution on the other hand is a natural process that works within time and environment. The WTS views calls for 'reform' as attacks on its God from the World and Satan but the natural process of growing up religiously they call ‘glimpses of light’. They recognize the language of theological evolution but repudiate the language of reform, yet the end product is common.

    The WTS is in the slow process of mainstreaming itself by a natural process that it can do little to avoid, into a theological position where it can do no further harm to people physically or spiritually. If we can effect a more rapid transformation of this process by the application of responsible pressure which affects its environment at the right moment, then perhaps that is a sensible goal.

    As to MadApostate’s upset at being called a ‘troll’. Well when I first posted to this Board I too was described as a ‘troll’. It was all lost on me however because I had never posted to a board ever before and did not actually understand what the term meant. Now I do, I am rather amused by it. Why not just cool down MadA, is it really a matter of such great importance that some doubt your veracity?

    My best to you all - HS

  • Maximus
    Maximus

    Hillary has not just given sage advice to MadApostate, he has presented the most thoughtful analysis of organizational dynamics you will find anywhere in the public domain. To grasp this fine piece of writing is to comprehend fully the realities that are even now shaping the hierarchy.

    : responsible pressure which affects its environment at the right moment

    'After it, after it, follow the gleam.'

    I savor your well articulated insight, HS.

    Maximus

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