Terry
You are at a ski resort and one night there is an avalanche so that the next morning there is an enormous jumble of snow, rocks, branches and debris scattered at the foot of the mountain. You go out and start walking through the mess by way of inspection and you come upon a large bank of snow with stones arranged in it that spell out the words, "Hello there". Would you assume this happened by chance or would you conclude reasonably that an intelligent thinking person put the stones in place?
Would I be ridiculed by creationists if I insisted that the words of stone were assembled by God?
TS
but with regards DNA, this shows that they are completely ignorant as to the computational "nature" of DNA. this is why you will find me going on and on about how DNA is closer to a computer program executing algorithms (genomes have both addressing systems as well as content), than it is to a blue print design (for the purposes of illustration). DNA may not be "code" in the true sense that we define it, but for all intents and purposes, it is codified. it's binary (G,T,C and A), it stores information, and it "executes" in embryonic development with mutations
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This is a tricky analogy, as pointed out in a previous thread. DNA binary executes instructions and store information. But, I think we should emphasize that it is a reaction. Add yellow paint to blue paint and it turns its self into green paint.
FairMind
Thank you again for you honest interpretation. I'll just add that I appreciate it when I have good discussions with creationists and biblists that can explain their thinking without resolving to angry evangelical stomping.
What I find hard to understand is that you see the possibility that the universe can be taken as the omnipresent one, the creator of all. But, God has to be included in the picture as well. For you it is a fact. The proof of that fact is your observation of everything. And, the Bible is Gods handbook for us.
Is it possible that perhaps, the universe is the only omnipresent creator of everything? That the universe created all the rules for existence. That the universe is and has always been, without beginning or end. That the writers of God's handbook observed the universe and got inspiration from it to tell people what works in life and what doesn't? Over many generations of tribes, steeling from your neighbor caused detriment to the tribe, and so the handbook writers gave us the command not to covert you neighbours porsche?
For me this make much more sense. It is more plausible, for me, to see the developing pattern of what makes a tribe be more successful over another and the elders of that tribe dictating those rules that work. After many generations, those rules are morphed into guides and regulations that must have come from God, because the observable evidence is that those who don't apply those rules inevitably suffer the penalty. When I observe something miraculous, that I don't understand, I refuse to say it is the work of God or Demons. I no longer believe the our planet is enclosed in a canopy which has holes letting the light shine though at night, the phenomena we call stars.
Please don't take my comments as ridiculing you or your beliefs. I'm not. I'm just trying to explain why your system of understanding the why and how doesnt make sense to me.
steve
