I was wondering if anybody thinks the WTBTS is possibly the "false prophet" of Revelation???
Please comment.
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i was wondering if anybody thinks the wtbts is possibly the "false prophet" of revelation???.
please comment.
I was wondering if anybody thinks the WTBTS is possibly the "false prophet" of Revelation???
Please comment.
i read an article about a 1989 watchtower that stated the preaching work would be completed in our 20th century, but was revised in the bound volume to say "in our day".
i told my brother this and he said, "if it's on the net about jw's it's a lie".
i want to prove to him it was a fact.
I read an article about a 1989 watchtower that stated the preaching work would be completed in our 20th century, but was revised in the bound volume to say "in our day". I told my brother this and he said, "if it's on the net about JW's it's a lie". I want to prove to him it was a fact. Can anybody give an idea how to do that?
Thanks
i am interested in ray franz.
can anybody comment on him?
i've heard rumors, but partial ones from jw's.
I am interested in Ray Franz. Can anybody comment on him? I've heard rumors, but partial ones from JW's.
i am sending it on monday, does anybody have any advice or revisions in mind?
july 22, 2002 .
dear friends, .
What should I expect after I send the letter? Should I sign it? Where do I send it? Do I notarize?
i am sending it on monday, does anybody have any advice or revisions in mind?
july 22, 2002 .
dear friends, .
Yes my brother is in the borg and hes converting my 2 other brothers and my mom is on and off.
i am sending it on monday, does anybody have any advice or revisions in mind?
july 22, 2002 .
dear friends, .
I am sending it on Monday, does anybody have any advice or revisions in mind?
July 22, 2002
Dear Friends,
Please accept this letter as my formal disassociation from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. I dont want any hard feelings just a dignified departure. There seems no other way.
I was baptised when I was 16 years old under the assumption that if I didnt I would be kicked out of the house, some are very unbalanced and fanatical about their beliefs. I simply do not believe a lot of the doctrines of the WBTS, the response I get is that I need to study more. I do not appreciate that approach. Nothing is either black or white. Nobody should force religion on someone, thats what my brother did and Im certain that Jesus did not. If its truly Jehovahs chosen religion, let him take care of it.
Each Sunday after the meeting a brother would want to study with me and thinking that I would be rejecting Jehovah by saying no I usually went along. These would usually last 5 hours, not the study, but all the waiting and chores etc. this went on for almost 2 years. After discussing this with an Elder the study was stopped. The very next day the brother wanted help moving furniture, again I agreed, this time no bible study, but after the 1 hour of moving furniture I was stranded with them out in the woods while they picked mushrooms, I had no transportation and they didnt ask if I had to be home, showing me no consideration , almost as if to get back at me for not wanting to study anymore. Coincidently this excursion lasted 5 hours. That was the final straw. This sort of conduct surely doesnt bring more converts. I am a human, not a number. They even wanted me to get re-baptised, thats absurd!!
My personality makes it hard to say no and confront people, but I eventually reach my limitation. There have been multiple occasions that my door has been knocked on for 10 minutes or more, as well as childishly double ringing the bell, the irritant/fanatical approach does not work with me either. Answering the door is futile, reasoning with some people isnt possible.
There is a double standard at the WBTS. The one that really stands out, is the 10 year affiliation with the United Nations, they claim it was for library access, but further investigation shows that to access that same information it can be done from many locations all over the United States with no membership as an NGO. To be a member they had to agree to the UN charter which goes against everything they preach about the UN/wild beast.
There are many things I disagree with, I do not want to argue or try and reason them , I do not want a study nor a visit of any kind. I have had 5 years to make up my mind and it is final. Please respect my decision and my privacy. Please update your field service record accordingly so as to not call on me.
Thank you,
I play the guitar. All kinds of styles mostly rock.
does anybody know the best way to get jw's off my back.
i live in a small community and i can't just yell at them.
i am getting rather angry and it may come to that however.
Does anybody know the best way to get JW's off my back. I live in a small community and I can't just yell at them. I am getting rather angry and it may come to that however. I stopped meetings in 97 and last year went to a couple and still didn't believe, so i stopped and now they're on an all out assult. They knock and ring the doorbell for 10-20 minutes at a time, it's insane. Today I'm considering a restraining order, but I need to keep my cool. I feel like a prisoner in my own home. These people are really freaking me out!
according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".
i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".
wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.
According to Revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet". I asked several JW's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that". Wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something. Ironically they are not open to any agreement.
Anyone have any ideas on this. Thanks
when i first found this site i was superised to find so many people like me that had issues with the org.
they say that all the negative info on the net just re-enforces that they are "the chosen ones".
my response to that was, look at your beliefs and doctrines, they are controversial, what do you expect.
When I first found this site I was superised to find so many people like me that had issues with the org. They say that all the negative info on the net just re-enforces that they are "the chosen ones". My response to that was, look at your beliefs and doctrines, they are controversial, what do you expect. You find the same thing if you do a search on Hitler.There are many things I would like to talk about. The main thing is I need to vent because alot of my family are in the org. and they think I'm Satanic. It's like talking to a wall. Of course anything on the net is false regarding JW's "according to them". I've had lots of doubts about certain things they preach.
Take the 1914 prophecy for example. Daniel chapter 4, JW's say 360 day years x 7 = 2520 and from 607bc you get 1914 etc. I had my own theory about the "7 times of Danilel 4" and it's just that a theory, I'm not a prophet, just a man. Ok lets say that 607 was the year which Jerusalem was destroyed, forget the lunar year lets use 365 day year 365x7=2555 which gives you 1949. In 1948 Israel became a state. It's close, but I'm simply showing that it's a guess and really the prophecy is regarding Nebuchadnezzar's rulership, it says nothing of God's chosen ones.
They have always seemed to throw sand in the face of the UN, almost as if picking a fight. I know about the UN/NGO "10 years on the wild beast", (sounds like a rodeo). I think of it like they want to provoke an attack and create a sort of self fullfilling prophecy to say, "look we were right". If they truly are the chosen ones why not let the All Mighty God have his will done w/out them meddling.
If you are to be no part of the world why do some in the org. accept wellfare and other government help. I know a couple in my ol' cong. that line up anytime there is a program for the needy, but they do just fine w/out extra help their business has the market cornered in my area. To me, the Amish appear to be "no part of the world". When I told my brother this he said, "they caught 2 teenage Amish kids selling Cocain out of their buggy". I said, "I know an Elder's kid that does Cocain in your congo", but JW's squelch anything like that so as to not besmirch their image.
One other issue I had/have is the "resurrection", people that died before JW's were around preaching the "good news" will get this marvelous resurrection and be taught by the JW's and can then make the decision to follow or not. Come on, with a miracle of being brought back from the dead of course you will go along, but us unfortunate ones that had some imperfect witness preaching doctrine at us will be deemed for destruction in this "wicked ol' system". Heaven forbid there be any skeptics, they apparently will be destroyed as well. Thats not fair I don't have great faith as somebody brought back from the dead, "instant faith". That is absurd.
I don't want to be harsh, but as I said I need to vent, it's healthy. It seems logic and common sense are disposed of as soon as they get you. If they see signs of free thinking they trully do "snuff it out". The meetings and service are so frequent you have no time to stop and think about it. Honestly it's scary, what if "new light" says to enter the Kingdom one must die first since the wages of sin is death and therefore have a Jim Jones style mass suicide!
Some in my area are showing there cultic ways after I stopped attending. The other day they knocked on my door for 20 minutes, "not exaggerating". There seems no dignified way of seperating.
Never stop thinking.