I wish I had someting enlightening to say, however, all I can say is, it went downhill quicker than you say. I think it all went downhill when God created Adam.
HuskerMike
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I WANT AN ANSWER !!
by Jessica Rabbit ini am mentally drained with one question only, and i ask this while looking up toward heaven.
" i started reading genesis yesterday, one verse at a time, and really trying to figure out why we are even in this boat we are in.
the only chapter i really enjoyed was chapter 1. it seems like everything turned to sh*t after the garden of eden was added.
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Need Help Witnessing to JWs
by HuskerMike ini am new here, and am a christian.
i had a young man and mother attempt to sell jw to my wife, who agreed to listen but only when i am there.
we are meeting with them tomorrow.
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HuskerMike
most here think I did well, one thought not so well. I posted the "report" on another thread, entitled, "well the experience is over". I am too new here to link that for you, but if you look under my name and history postings, you should be able to find it. Thanks for asking
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Well, the experience is over
by HuskerMike inmet the jw's today, a 20 year old boy and his mother.
he was refreshing, she was not.
as soon as the conversation started to go to the trinity, she stopped the discussion and simply asked if we were "comfortable" in believing what we do.
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HuskerMike
hey blondie,
I forgot to mention that the boy claimed it "stand up" that the church has admitted failures in regards to the false prophesies. Funny thing, HE brought up the false prophesies. He said that one of the reasons he accepts what they tell him is that they admitted failure. My question is "did they"? I thought they simply brushed 1914, 25, 75 et al under the rug. Did they actually admit failure?
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Why Are So Many JWs Ex-Catholic?
by SpannerintheWorks inis it just my imagination, or are a disproportionate of jws ex-catholic?.
were you a catholic before a jw?.
why did you feel that the jw religion was "better" than the "catholic" one?.
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HuskerMike
me too, but darn it if I don't get sideways with at least one person a day
I don't mean to offend anyone, really I don't. I was just relating my experience as a Catholic. I do get offended by Caths who simply dismiss my experience (and most that i know still doing same) as "you didn't try hard enough". I did. To no avail, most Caths that actually care that I left still see me as one who didn't try. One actually had the audacity to claim that I left because the Catholic church was too hard and I wanted the easy path. Man did I laugh at that. As a Catholic, most was left up to the priest on my behalf. Or, my prayers were written for me, Hail Mary etc. Read the Bible, "if you have time, otherwise don't worry bout that".
Like I stated in my very FIRST post, this is simply my life experience. No more no less. Also, there may be a multitude of Caths out there that are very contrary to my circle of experience, maybe.
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Why Are So Many JWs Ex-Catholic?
by SpannerintheWorks inis it just my imagination, or are a disproportionate of jws ex-catholic?.
were you a catholic before a jw?.
why did you feel that the jw religion was "better" than the "catholic" one?.
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HuskerMike
that is such a standard answer. Like I said, I did not leave after my "youth". I left after 28 years. I was NOT simply falling asleep in church. By the way, the CC now allows for Bible Studies, they did NOT happen years ago.
I knew my comments would likely tick someone off, but sometimes the truth hurts. Like I said, I have many, many catholic friends and most family is still Catholic. I can say with complete confidence that they know very little of the Bible and do not study it. Ever. Nor did most that I grew up with.
Sure there are some great examples of knowledgeable Catholics, however, this is far from the norm. I wish it were. I truly do. I would not have left if I truly believed that the Bible (and its teachings) held more significance than the teachings of men.
I would like you to clearify what you mean by the Bible as a "tradition". In the sense that it is a source of history, sure. But I guess I am not sure what you mean by that.
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Well, the experience is over
by HuskerMike inmet the jw's today, a 20 year old boy and his mother.
he was refreshing, she was not.
as soon as the conversation started to go to the trinity, she stopped the discussion and simply asked if we were "comfortable" in believing what we do.
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HuskerMike
that settles it then, 3 lies. I guess my question is how do I get anywhere when not only are THEY lied to and indoctrinated, but they in turn lie to those trying to "reach" them? Again, I hope that her son not only heard the lies, but questions them.
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Well, the experience is over
by HuskerMike inmet the jw's today, a 20 year old boy and his mother.
he was refreshing, she was not.
as soon as the conversation started to go to the trinity, she stopped the discussion and simply asked if we were "comfortable" in believing what we do.
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HuskerMike
thanks Blondie, I will chalk it up as a learning experience. I must say, however, that I am not sure it will be repeated. I would love to, however, if they will simply get up and leave what point is it? They are taught not to listen. What a crock. I am firm in my belief but listen intently to my atheist, agnostic, Muslim brothers. I have investigated their teachings and they have helped firm mine. Sad, really, that they are so indoctronated. Oh well, I am sure I will get another chance, hopefully.
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Well, the experience is over
by HuskerMike inmet the jw's today, a 20 year old boy and his mother.
he was refreshing, she was not.
as soon as the conversation started to go to the trinity, she stopped the discussion and simply asked if we were "comfortable" in believing what we do.
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HuskerMike
thanks Kathy, actually she "attempted" to use the Bible several times, but to my surprise she said, "in Acts xx I believe it says". I expected more I guess. But again, she was uncomfortable from the first question she asked. I don't think from that point on much of what was said meant anything. She more or less said, "you believe what you do and after 40+ years so do I". We have to go and try to convert others who have no beliefs.
By the way, she also said that she does door-to-door out of the kindness of her own heart. That she doesn't have to do it, she does not earn salvation OR points from the church by doing this. My question is, isn't this lie number 3?
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Well, the experience is over
by HuskerMike inmet the jw's today, a 20 year old boy and his mother.
he was refreshing, she was not.
as soon as the conversation started to go to the trinity, she stopped the discussion and simply asked if we were "comfortable" in believing what we do.
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HuskerMike
moreover, she was born and raised JW. She is very firm in her belief. I don't think much can be done for her, by me anyway. Her son, however, I believe would be reachable. Like I said, I hope the two lies she let fly will make him question. As if it were me, I would walk away wondering why my mother lied to those people.
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Well, the experience is over
by HuskerMike inmet the jw's today, a 20 year old boy and his mother.
he was refreshing, she was not.
as soon as the conversation started to go to the trinity, she stopped the discussion and simply asked if we were "comfortable" in believing what we do.
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HuskerMike
wow, that is somewhat harsh. I think you are wrong. We started where THEY started. They left off with my wife regarding the Trinity. What am I supposed to do, say NO a "bunch of apostates" told me not too?"
Look, I simply was very kind, however, the women simply asked a question, was I suppose to lie? No way. I told her what I believed, however, I also made it clear to her by telling her I did not want to debate the Trinity as we are both firm there. I then move to the blood question and the question of whether the church or God should be the focus of attention. Both of these, I might add were given to me to speak about by those here.
You ask what my intentions were. Simple, I wanted to plant a seed. Re-read my earlier thread and someone clearly stated that I would not likely be able to do anything since I have never been a JW.
I don't know exactly why you say it was "lame" as you were not there. I presume that you were once a JW, to which you yourself should know that once I stated a firm belief opposite theirs with the position that i would not change that they would leave. I did not force them to come, nor did I force them to stay. What would you have done?
I don't mean to sound defensive, but I cannot fathom why your comment is so harsh. I was not with them, as I was very gentle relatively speaking of course. Sorry that I could not live up to your expectations.