Posts by ellderwho

Its interesting the lengths you go to, to explain Gods nature to all of us, but when questioned on previous threads you fall short in explaining to us who created the Heavens and earth.

If Jesus creates, this ultimately makes your theology problematic.

Or should it be said you believe Jesus created some things but not all things.

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Need feedback on this!

by SWALKER in

here is a great topic for discussion:.

according to the reasoning book on page 267 it states under the topic "who is to partake of the bread and the wine?".

"who partook when jesus instituted the lord's evening meal shortly before he died?

ellderwho

Flash,

Jesus said there are two folds in John 10:16

John 10:16 'I shall bring them in and there shall be one flock and one shepherd."

John 11:51,52 "He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, 52 and not only for that nation but also for the scattered childern of God to bring them together and make them one"

John 17:20 " My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message that all of them may be one"

Eph. 2:11-19; 11Wherefore remember, that once ye, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called Circumcision, in the flesh, made by hands; 12that ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ. 14For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition, 15having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace; 16and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17and he came and preached peace to you that were far off, and peace to them that were nigh: 18for through him we both have our access in one Spirit unto the Father. 19So then ye are no more strangers and sojourners, but ye are fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,

Rev 3:21

21He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne.

20 4-6:

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The above quoted verses never limits the number of saints to be with Christ.

Of the 144K Rev 7:14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 7:4-8 refers to a literal number of Jews. From 12 tribes except Dan. Some believe these are those who preach the Gospel during the Great Tribulation.

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PLEASE HELP! Assist in 1914 Rebuttal...

by Jared in

ok, so i'm trying to just plant a tiny seed of doubt somewhere in the cracks of my mothers mind, but that woman has 'jehovah' tattooed on her chest!

anyway, i would not only like help for her benefit but also for my benefit.

so it all started when i questioned her about 1914.... i wrote to her: 'as you had suggested i wanted to do some research.

ellderwho

Scholar,

combined with relevant secular evidence to calculate 607.

Where is it?

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PLEASE HELP! Assist in 1914 Rebuttal...

by Jared in

ok, so i'm trying to just plant a tiny seed of doubt somewhere in the cracks of my mothers mind, but that woman has 'jehovah' tattooed on her chest!

anyway, i would not only like help for her benefit but also for my benefit.

so it all started when i questioned her about 1914.... i wrote to her: 'as you had suggested i wanted to do some research.

ellderwho

The biblical chronology espoused by the Lord's people is simple and harmonizes with secular evidence and biblical history.

You accuse people of hanging beliefs on one fact but you yourself are guilty of the same.

If people want to base their beliefs on that single fact then they are to be pitied,

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PLEASE HELP! Assist in 1914 Rebuttal...

by Jared in

ok, so i'm trying to just plant a tiny seed of doubt somewhere in the cracks of my mothers mind, but that woman has 'jehovah' tattooed on her chest!

anyway, i would not only like help for her benefit but also for my benefit.

so it all started when i questioned her about 1914.... i wrote to her: 'as you had suggested i wanted to do some research.

ellderwho

Jared,

Welcome, the only sure way to refute the 1914 debacle and to really know what your talking about is to study it.(GTR. COC) Just remember they need this date more than anything. Warning :studying this subject leads down many rabbit holes.

2Chronicles 36 will show servitude/70- 609-539 beginning in verse 1. That will tie into Jer 22:12. ( 609 Bc)

Verse 4 ties in with Dan 1:1, 2Kings 24,25 " laid seige to Jerusalem"-Jehoiakim 11 years, 609-11=598

Verse 11 has Zedekiah ruling for eleven years-------------------------------------Zedekiah 11years, 598-11=587

Verse 19-21 Jerusalem is burned in 587 to fullfill Yahwehs word by the mouth of Jeremiah. Jer 25:9

Desolation 70/ 587/6-- 517/6

Zechariah 1: 1, 12 In the eighth month in the second year of king Darius( 518) Insight book verifies this as well , v14 angel of the LORD states " O LORD of armies, how long will you yourself not show mercy to Jerusalem and to these cities of Judah, whom you have denounced these seventy years?"

Look also at Zech 7:1 4th year of Darius, Yahweh still not happy with Jerusalem 516bc,

The above dates shown in 2Chron 36 will work even if you start with the dates given in the insight books of course they'll be off twenty years.

But it still shows the witness that their was servitude to Babylon that the org does not want to deal with. Which in turn smashes their Jeremiah 25:9 which clearly states "these nations" not just Judah! Which supposedly would have begun in 607

Little nugget about 1914 and Jesus begin rulership then. Take the Jw to Ephesians. 1:20-23 here Christ has everything subjected to him after he's risen.

Use the NWT doesnt matter it just hits alittle closer to home.

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"my Father is greater than I" and the Trinity

by hooberus in

"ye have heard how i said unto you, i go away, and come again unto you.

if ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because i said, i go unto the father: for my father is greater than i.

" john 14:28 .

ellderwho

Hoob,

As usual a good read.

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APOSTATES AT THE ASSEMBLY...

by cyber-sista in

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ellderwho

" What goes to heaven when one of the 144K dies?"

Reasoning from the scriptures pg. 385;

"Thus, after a person dies, his spirit does not exist as an immaterial being that can think and carry out plans apart from the body."

The "what goes to heaven" questioning is along the line of "what came down from heaven" when the the "life" of Michael was transfered to Mary? Or what became of Michael? If he willed himself out of existence, then either God killed him or He commited suicide.

Reason from the Scriptures pg 218

"Reasonably, then the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ."

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APOSTATES AT THE ASSEMBLY...

by cyber-sista in

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can't seem to paste my words in here--will try below...

ellderwho

" What goes to heaven when one of the 144K dies?"

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Kingdom Interlinear question?

by imherczeg in

i'm in a bible study with a very nice jehovah's witness.. she was kind enough to give me a copy of "the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures" 1985 edition.. it states in the beginning of the book that the three bible texts.... greek text above comes from b.f. westcott and f.j.a.

hort (1881).

english text underneath comes from "an interlinear word-for-word translation into english" 1969. english text alongside comes from the 1984 nwt.

ellderwho

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