the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.
the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.
i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.
Farkel writes....The WTS is no scholar because it has no academic qualifications and has simply rehashed the work of earlier Second Adventist crackpots on chronology. Further, its hypothesis has not been peer reviewed in scholarly journals and thus is deemed a simply piece of pro-Witness propaganda.
How true. Also look at how the Tower misquotes every reference in the "Should you believe in the trinity"
Absolutely laughable!
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the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.
the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.
i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.
Gary,
Love your commentaries.
the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.
the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.
i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.
Thus far his so-called research has not been sourced by scholars working in the field of OT chronology and history and it must be stated that his view of OT chronology are not endorsed by scholars because there is no agreement concerning many of the dates for this later period of Judean history. scholar
A most valuable [work].... I have already drawn the attention of a number of correspondents to it."
---Donald J. Wiseman, Emeritus Professor of Assyriology in the University of London England.
.....Jonssons demonstrates , with the aid of irrefutable arguments, the invalidity of Jehovahs Witnessses' theory that 607 B.C. was the year when Nebuchadnezzar II, in the eighteenth regnal year, desolated Jerusalem."
----Luigi Cagni, Profeesor of Assyiology at the University of Naples, Italy
Thus far his so-called research has not been sourced by scholars
Really?
E.
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
but I say these things that you may be saved.
You say lets look at John 5. And you highlight words that either imply will or chioce. Which is interesting because words like will and may describe our inability as sinners to do exactly what it is you believe we as sinners are capable of.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.None of us are willing. Even when drawn and saved as Paul was, I struggle just like Paul descibes my nature would have me do. Ro.7:14-24
come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
Undis,
But does God always get what He "wants"? Not according to His Holy Word: John Chapter 5 say that Jesus WANTED to save those Jews who were trying to kill Him, but they rejected Him (and so went to Hell).
How do you possibly get that from Chapter 5? 5:21
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Did Jesus get what He wanted there?
I think so. 5: 24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 5:25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Did Jesus get what He wanted there?
I think so. 5:38
And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Undis, look at what Jesus is saying in the above quotes. First of all God quickens whom he pleases as does the Son v21. Does this mean in v24 that God raises the dead on the last day and "saves" them ? I believe it is in reference to the present; v25 ' the hour is coming and now is when the dead shall hear ' what happens when you hear ? YOU LIVE! Furthermore as believers, how do you suppose we get to a point when the "word" dwells in us?? v38 Niv. v37,38 And the Father who has sent me has himself testified concerning me.You have never heard his voice or seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. Why doesnt the word dwell in them??? Jesus goes on to say you search the scriptures. This simply stated, we dead in sin, can read all we want to about the savior and teachings and claim this and that, the bottom line is if his word does not dwell in you your DEAD! And no where in scripture is it taught that we can somehow invoke this action or complete it by a choice. Lazarus is a perfect example of this but you seemed to miss the point. Lazarus was dead,dead,dead! E
i'm new and this is my first post.
when i was in the truth, i remember how we were encouraged to cultivate a personal relationship with jehovah.
we were to think of him as our friend and to rely on him soley.
I remember how we were encouraged to cultivate a personal relationship with Jehovah.
Welcome,
Romans 8:6,7
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
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come to the wedding.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
Why not? Why are they not willing?
Is it a choice not to come? Or is it their nature not to come?
E
i was browsing channelc.org and came across this.
how would one follow jehovah?
do the will of the organization and you would be doing jehovah?s will.
eli_JW
Welcome,
I hope you enjoy the forum. Its OK you can think here
i was browsing channelc.org and came across this.
how would one follow jehovah?
do the will of the organization and you would be doing jehovah?s will.
Truthseeker,- The book?s main thrust is to encourage JWs to follow Jehovah and do His will. How would one follow Jehovah? Well, Jehovah has a visible earthly organization, that?s how. Follow the organization and you would be following Jehovah. Do the will of the organization and you would be doing Jehovah?s will.
The Greatest man book also serves up another problem for the Jay dub:
GMB page 133 last pargraph,
"So it was in 1914 that Jesus returned invisibly, without public fanfare and with only his faithful servants being aware of his return....."
Really??
pg.212
The Harp of God (1921)In this chapter we hope to prove the fact of the Lord?s return, how he will return, when, and for
what purpose, and that he has already come.
"The latter part of "?the time of the end" Jesus designates as a time of harvest, because he says: "The
harvest is the end of the world [age]". He stated that he would be present at that time. From 1874 forward is
the latter part of the period of "the time of the end". From 1874 is the time of the Lord?s second presence,
as above stated...."
236
The Harp of God to the harvest of the gospel age, and we do find it Counting three and a half years from1874, the time of his presence, brings us to 1878. During the presence of the Lord from 1874 to 1878 he was
making preparation for the harvest of the gospel age.
So is the folling quote from the GMB true?
GMB page 133 last pargraph,
"So it was in 1914 that Jesus returned invisibly, without public fanfare and with only his faithful servants being aware of his return....."
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are non-trinitarians polytheistic or monotheistic?
every non-trinitarian claims that he/she is moneteistic, because they believe in only one god who is over all other gods.
in their opinion jesus is also ?a god written in a lowercase 'g'.
Did you travel the coasts of Scotland?
No, Just in and around the base. A little town called Dunoon. I remember a parade called the "cow games" ?? Kilts and all. I would take weekend leave and go to Glasgow and Edinborough.
I seem to remember getting the opportunity to have a brief tour aboard a US Sub that came into port in the Hebrides, in the early 80's.
It'd be a funny coincidence if you were aboard it!
No, dont recall that. We did surface off the coast of Iceland to Medi-vac a guy to his wife who had complications with a birth. That was in sept. ' 85
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