Posts by billythekid46

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British museum bible tours

by inbetween in

visiting london years ago i had the chance to participate on a bible tour arranged from bethel.

what i remember, it was one out of 12 topics, and a brother or sister served as a guide, showing particular objects related to bible accounts.. at that time, i was quite enthusiastic about it, thinking i learned something valuable.. .

now, being awake to ttatt, i wonder what real scientific value those tours served.. or rather it raises the suspicion, that those tours are for visiting witnesses in order to distract them from many other finds in the museum, that would disprove either the bible or their own theology.. anybody ever made such a tour ?.

billythekid46

Am I a Troll? I guess not sorry. I'll leave that up to you good natured socialite's that truly believe by bashing 1 religion makes any other religions any better. To learn the truth as Jesus proclaimed with his fine works who never accepted or expresses arguments. Jesus fulfilled the purpose of his Fathers truth. Never made an argument surrounded by many religions of that time. He based his life on faith, love, and understanding. What do you good people base your life on?

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British museum bible tours

by inbetween in

visiting london years ago i had the chance to participate on a bible tour arranged from bethel.

what i remember, it was one out of 12 topics, and a brother or sister served as a guide, showing particular objects related to bible accounts.. at that time, i was quite enthusiastic about it, thinking i learned something valuable.. .

now, being awake to ttatt, i wonder what real scientific value those tours served.. or rather it raises the suspicion, that those tours are for visiting witnesses in order to distract them from many other finds in the museum, that would disprove either the bible or their own theology.. anybody ever made such a tour ?.

billythekid46

Yes, one needs to become well acquainted with history and archaeology. Many questioning JWs and ex-JWs have done just that and figured out where the WTS chronology has gone wrong. No need to preach to the choir

I not preaching as you say, I believe that's what your doing on your own by being judgmental of that religion. But to ease your mine. I'm an ex-witness. I thought we were discussing the British museum tour correct? How the JW like to obscure the tour to mislead the masses, just as your doing with your double talk.

YOU PEOPLE JUST DISCRIBED EVERY RELIGION KNOWN TO MAN. What makes all religion any better?

.What MAKES your YOUR TRUTH anymore tangible. If that’s your understanding, then the LIES, HYPOCRISY, AND ABUSE OF POWER comes from your end along side Catholics, Advents, Islam, Mormons, Evangelist, and Judaism ETC. So once again, what makes you any better? To speak the truth is not to force your view point on others, without corrupting bible principles.

Your given that right to make a choice and then move on, Yahweh doesn't need anyone especially if they don't truly believe in him with their heart and mine, and have true faith in God, you guys have a wonderful day.

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British museum bible tours

by inbetween in

visiting london years ago i had the chance to participate on a bible tour arranged from bethel.

what i remember, it was one out of 12 topics, and a brother or sister served as a guide, showing particular objects related to bible accounts.. at that time, i was quite enthusiastic about it, thinking i learned something valuable.. .

now, being awake to ttatt, i wonder what real scientific value those tours served.. or rather it raises the suspicion, that those tours are for visiting witnesses in order to distract them from many other finds in the museum, that would disprove either the bible or their own theology.. anybody ever made such a tour ?.

billythekid46

People sure love to disprove JW with their Past books, magazines, public talks, as if JW is the only religion in the world. What makes the works of any other religion any better or tangible? Someone who explained it better is more credible? History is especially interesting. Not even the people whose ancestors lived in those lands are as much ignorant as the story teller. If you people want to be credible with your criticism, you need to first learn to be a theologian, archeologist, and historian put together, then maybe you’ll see the chronology of Nebuchadnezzar is very confusing because of all that was going on at that time, Whether Nebuchadnezzar was a General when sacking Jerusalem or King when destroying it. How many battle fronts were accruing, who used what calendar, and best of all, how Muslim nations even today hide evidence that directly support bible chronology. Let me give you a view point thats not from JW's

This apparent discrepancy with Daniel’s account below is actually a cultural difference of dating systems. Jeremiah, living in the land of Israel, naturally uses the Israeli dating system, which would place Jehoiakim's fourth year in 604 BC. Daniel, using the Babylonian system, places Jehoiakim's third year in 604 BC. The Babylonians considered a king’s first year to start on the first New Years day in his reign.

To solve a case like this, it helps if we compare apples with apples.
First of all the exact date is 607 BC according to Bishop Ussher, not 606 BC. This was indeed the first year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar if we just count as the Bible counts. And the first year of Jehoiakim starts in 610 BC. As our years don't fit nicely into the reigns of the kings (different starting month), the third year is 607 BC.
Now to the supposed bad history. The author of the SAB quotes here Farrell Till as saying that the first invasion was at 597 BC, which would be the last year of Jehoiakim. Farrell Till concludes this from Babylonian records. And Farrell Till makes a second claim, namely that Nebuchadnezzar became king in 605 BC, two years after the Bible says he besieged Jerusalem. All these dates can be a bit confusing, so let me give a time line below (all dates in BC), and according to Ussher's chronology:
610: Jehoiakim is made king by Pharaoh Nechoh, see 2 Kg. 23:34.
608: Nebuchadnezzar is made viceroy.
607: battle of Carchemish, where Egypt was defeated (fourth year of Jehoiakim), see Jer. 46:2.
607: first siege of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar; Daniel and his friends taken and brought to Babylon, start of the 70 years of captivity.
605: death of Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar.
604: Jehoiakim rebels (2 Kg. 24:1), it takes Nebuchadnezzar a few years to be able to respond.
600: Nebuchadnezzar invades Judah, see 2 Kg. 24:2.
599: second siege of Jerusalem; Jehoiakim's son Jeconiah, also Jehoiachin, was taken to Babylon (Jer. 27:20), see also 2 Kg. 24:12.
589: last siege of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar.
588: destruction of the first temple.
Note that secular history gives 586 BC as the date that Solomon's temple was destroyed. And note that Bishop Ussher's starts the reign of Nebuchadnezzar two years earlier than secular history.
We know the relationship between the reign of Nebuchadnezzar and Jehoiakim, and this allows us to match their reigns. According to Jer. 25:1 the fourth year of Jehoiakim falls within the first year of Nebuchadnezzar. From this verse we know that Nebuchadnezzar's reign began during the third year of Jehoiakim.
So this allows us to solve the second “contradiction” claimed by Mr. Till: he compares Ussher's chronology as used in many Bible dictionaries with dates used by secular historians, and so obtains his contradiction that Nebuchadnezzar wasn't even king. In secular history, Jehoiakim begins his reign in 609, and Nebuchadnezzar begins his reign at 605. But secular dates are simply wrong, as the Bible does not contradict itself and internally aligns the reigns of these two kings perfectly and consistently. It's only when we start using dates obtained by some method outside the Bible that we can obtain a contradiction.
It is correct that Nebuchadnezzar's father died in 605 BC. When that happened Nebuchadnezzar became sole ruler. But from the Bible we know that as viceroy he reigned already 2 years before that. It is the normal procedure in the Bible to count the reign of a king from the first year that he became a viceroy.
This also explains why he was in Jerusalem in his first year. If he had become king, he probably would not have ventured too far outside his realm in the first year, but would be establishing his power base in his home country and close at home. But because his father still reigned, he was able to make fame for himself by venturing abroad to obtain glory and loot.
There is one issue that might seem contradictory: from Jer. 46:2 we know that the battle of

Carchemish was in the fourth year of Jehoiakim, while this verse seems to say that in the third year of Jehoiakim we find Nebuchadnezzar before Jerusalem, which happened after the battle of Carchemish. But it we read this verse correctly, it says that Nebuchadnezzar came in the third year, that is, he left with his army at the end of the third year of Jehoiakim. From Jer. 46:2 we know when he arrived: in the beginning of the fourth year of Jehoiakim.
A different resolution is offered by Mark S. Haughwout, who claims:

Having established the date of the siege, let us have a look at the claim that the first siege of Jerusalem was only in 597. This is unlikely. If we look at the Biblical record, we see that Pharaoh Nechoh was expanding his kingdom to the North and East, something the Babylonian Chronicles also record. On his way back from Harran, Pharaoh Nechoh disposed the king in Jerusalem and installed Jehoiakim, 2 Kg. 23:34. Farrell Till would make us believe that it took more then 10 years for Nebuchadnezzar to respond to this act of Pharaoh Nechoh. But this act of Pharaoh Nechoh is actually the reason we see Nebuchadnezzar before Jerusalem! In his first year as viceroy, he begins with his campaign to defeat Pharaoh, which he did convincingly at Carchemish. Afterwards he marches south to attack Pharaoh's allies and dispose his vassals. And that is why we find him before Jerusalem at this time and Daniel and his friends were taken to Babylon. His venture south ends with the full retreat of Pharaoh, see 2 Kg. 24:7.

So the first siege was in 607, the second siege was in 599 (not 597 as secular history has it), and the third and last in 589 BC

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Were you 'alive in '75' and how was that year for you?

by punkofnice in

i was a junior borgite in 1975. i remeber looking at the calendar at work in october and thinking: 'armageddon isn't here yet.....and it doesn't feel like it will be here anytime soon either!'.

i was surprised that jehovah hadn't obeyed the superior command to bring the big 'a' as instructed to him by fred franz.

how dare god disobey the jw leader!!!!!.

billythekid46

Apropos. What is inherent in others not necessarily the true meaning. We believe what we wish to believe as it suits our own understanding. Can one be objective with so many variables? If someone can answer without commenting on other people works and publications or by not repudiating someone else’s idealism, am all ears, impress me. How many thousands of publications have been written on the end of days? Does any remember the works of Nostradamus? Other religions as well. If you’re going to berate one religion, then take out your list to insult them all.

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Billy's Comments You Won't Hear at the 01-26-2014 WT Study (Obey Jehovah's Shepherds))

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

fine.

holy spirit appointed overseers to shepherd?

6:1, 2; jude 22) are these not good reasons for being obedient to those who are taking the lead?read hebrews 13:17.. .

billythekid46

Doesn’t the Catholic Church dictate what your morals should be? If they stop, their priest will molest children and when someone finds out, the church just moves them. Wait that’s what they were doing until it all came out on Media. I want to live where you people live. Sound great not to wake up without having anyone tell me what to do. I’ve been dumb to go through life being told what to do by my parents, my teacher, schools, universities, government, when I go eat, drink. Tell me, where is this paradise I want in, please.

Another question:

This comment is not for the Atheist, or Creationist, but for True Christians that don’t blaspheme against the word of God. Mind you by following God’s written word in the bible, NOT RELIGION: From the King James Bible 1611 Apostle Paul wrote @ Timothy 3: 12 Yea, and all that will lieu godly in Christ Jesus, shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wade worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceiued. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned, and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them. 15 And that from a childe thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise onto salvation through faith which is in Christ Iesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished onto all good works.

What does it accomplish to talk or write negative comments about JW’s? Nothing, but then again, everything. Will it bring down the Watchtower? No, but it makes us feel better to speak our truth it helps those who are seeking answers about this religion, it exposes the lies, the hypocrisy, the abuse of power.

YOU PEOPLE JUST DISCRIBED EVERY RELIGION KNOWN TO MAN. What makes all religion any better? The Catholic Church has being lying and hidings written works in order for people of the Catholic faith don’t wonder off since the 12 Century. What MAKES as you said YOUR TRUTH anymore tangible. If that’s your understanding, then the LIES, HYPOCRISY, AND ABUSE OF POWER comes from your end along side Catholics, Advents, Islam, Mormons, Evangelist, and Judaism ETC. So once again, what makes you any better? To speak the truth is not to force your view point on others, without corrupting bible principles. Your all theologians I assume. Theology basically started in the 1800's. Those who truly studied the bible are the remnants of what is taught today. PICK AND CHOSE ONE, OR MAKE YOUR OWN BECAUSE GOD GAVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAN THE REST OF US, AND THEN MOVE ON. All religions publish literature for everyone to read. What makes the JW’s literature any more special? The point of views of all religion is for all of us to decide what is the truth, unless you have a direct line to Yahweh, if you do, then I really want to meet such a special person, as all written works of the bible were inspired by God for men to write it. I don’t mean god came to him in a dark alley like Mohammad or Jesus walked with me in a desert like Joseph Smith or I greet God every day in a dark room surrounded by gold to shake God’s hand like the Pope.

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Were you 'alive in '75' and how was that year for you?

by punkofnice in

i was a junior borgite in 1975. i remeber looking at the calendar at work in october and thinking: 'armageddon isn't here yet.....and it doesn't feel like it will be here anytime soon either!'.

i was surprised that jehovah hadn't obeyed the superior command to bring the big 'a' as instructed to him by fred franz.

how dare god disobey the jw leader!!!!!.

billythekid46

I was a teenager in 75, Hearing the grumbles of new witnesses stating in ignorance the world would end based on chronology given by the Watchtower. Even my Catholic friend advised me to prepare myself as he put it, your God would be coming for you. Some Catholics and Born again Christians had this belief back then that Jesus was God, not Yahweh. However by researching the position the Watchtower took back then was that a significant change would take place in the world as we new it back then. The Watchtower latter clarified the misunderstanding some witnesses had on the matter. The significant changes they spoke of, is what we see today. The acceleration of human society at a pace never seen before. Population, Science, Engineering. The computer explosions, the internet, so forth and so on. But as an ex-witness I too had a laugh but never removed myself from reality and the true principles of bible teaching by which are in the Mosaic laws, and moved on.

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ACTUALLY any form of pants are wrong wrong wrong!!

by hamsterbait in

tight pants - tempting the gays to chase you: you cannot resist their advances bad bad bad!!!!!!!!!!!!.

baggy pants - in a 1993 witchtower baggy pants were a sign you are a rapper : bad bad bad!!!!!!!!!!.

pants just right?

billythekid46

I don’t remember Christ Teachings to be boring, but then again the Jews killed him, so nobody really got a chance for Christ speeches to be repetitious. This comment is not for the Atheist, or Creationist, but for True Christians that don’t blaspheme against the word of God. Mind you by following God’s written word in the bible, NOT RELIGION: From the King James Bible 1611 Apostle Paul wrote @ Timothy 3: 12 Yea, and all that will lieu godly in Christ Jesus, shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wade worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceiued. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned, and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them. 15 And that from a childe thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise onto salvation through faith which is in Christ Iesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished onto all good works. I also don't remember the name of the University Jesus went to while growing up, does anyone remember, I'd really like to know.

What does it accomplish to talk or write negative comments about JW’s? Nothing, but then again, everything. Will it bring down the Watchtower? No, but it makes us feel better to speak our truth it helps those who are seeking answers about this religion, it exposes the lies, the hypocrisy, the abuse of power.

YOU PEOPLE JUST DISCRIBED EVERY RELIGION KNOWN TO MAN. What makes all religion any better? The Catholic Church has being lying and hidings written works in order for people of the Catholic faith don’t wonder off since the 12 Century. What MAKES as you said YOUR TRUTH anymore tangible. If that’s your understanding, then the LIES, HYPOCRISY, AND ABUSE OF POWER comes from your end along side Catholics, Advents, Islam, Mormons, Evangelist, and Judaism ETC. So once again, what makes you any better? To speak the truth is not to force your view point on others, without corrupting bible principles. Your all theologians I assume. Theology basically started in the 1800's. Those who truly studied the bible are the remnants of what is taught today. PICK AND CHOSE ONE, OR MAKE YOUR OWN BECAUSE GOD GAVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAN THE REST OF US, AND THEN MOVE ON. All religions publish literature for everyone to read. What makes the JW’s literature any more special? The point of views of all religion is for all of us to decide what is the truth, unless you have a direct line to Yahweh, and then I really want to meet such a special person, as all written works of the bible were inspired by God for men to write it. I don’t mean god came to him in a dark alley like Mohammad or Jesus walked with me in a desert like Joseph Smith or I greet God every day in a dark room surrounded by gold to shake God’s hand like the Pope.

During negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of April 26, 1933 Hitler stated that "Secular schools can never be tolerated" because of their irreligious tendencies. Hitler routinely disregarded this undertaking, and the Reich concordat as a whole and by 1939, all Catholic denominational schools had been disbanded or converted to public facilities, equal to atheism.

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion: Try these people, they teach you to kill in the name of GOD, maybe that will keep you interested and awake.
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion, maybe this is better for you. You don’t have to hear God none sense, and you can be one with nature
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

Waldensians
Moravians
Lutherans
Calvinism
Anabaptists
Anglicanism
Nonconformism
Quakers
Baptists These guys enjoy singing and dance, and speaking in tongues, to have a direct line of conversation with God.
Methodism
Pentecostals

Eastern Christianity

Eastern Orthodox Church (Includes the Greek Orthodox , Serbian Orthodox , Russian Orthodox , Romanian Orthodox , Bulgarian Orthodox , and several other autocephalous churches and Patriarchates )
Russian Orthodox Old Believers
Eastern Orthodox Old Calendarists
Oriental Orthodox (Includes the Armenian Orthodox , Coptic Orthodox , Ethiopian Orthodox , and Syriac Orthodox , as well as a portion of the St. Thomas Christians )
Assyrian Church of the East
Ancient Church of the East
Eastern Catholics (In full communion with Rome, but retaining a diverse array of Eastern liturgical rites; including the Maronites and Chaldean Catholics )

Orthodox Christians are also interesting. They also teach you to hate and kill mankind. You may want to join them in Africa Sudan area. Muslims and Christians are killing each other right now in the name of religion. This shouldn’t be boring for you.

Other groups related to Christianity

Some of these groups consider themselves to be Christian, or to be derived from Christianity, but they are considered heterodox or heretical by mainstream Christianity. Some of them are no longer extant.

Jehovah's Witnesses
Christian Science
Christian Universalism
Seventh Day Adventists
Latter Day Saint movement
Nontrinitarianism
Swedenborgianism
Unification Church
Unitarianism (see also Unitarian Universalists )
Rastafarianism
Arianism
Ebonite’s (no longer extant)
Marcionism (no longer extant)

EXAMPLE: Speaking in Tongues

Lehman Strauss taught Old Testament history for eight years at Philadelphia Bible Institute, and served as pastor of the Calvary Baptist Church, Bristol, Pennsylvania, from 1939 to 1957.

He was pastor of Highland Park Baptist Church (Highland Park, Michigan) until the end of 1963 when he resigned to devote full time to an itinerant Bible conference and evangelistic ministry both in the States and abroad. Dr. Strauss was residing in Florida and writing his 19th book at age 86 when the Lord called him home in June 1997. His written materials are used by permission.

All Bible-believing Christians who study the Word of God are in agreement that the gift of tongues is present in the inspired Scriptures.

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Did You Ever Learn Anything From The Meetings?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i found the meetings to be especially boring from the late 1980s on.

before that, we actually tried to make people want to listen.

the meetings were pretty interesting.

billythekid46

I don’t remember Christ Teachings to be boring, but then again the Jews killed him, so nobody really got a chance for Christ speeches to be repetitious. This comment is not for the Atheist, or Creationist, but for True Christians that don’t blaspheme against the word of God. Mind you by following God’s written word in the bible, NOT RELIGION: From the King James Bible 1611 Apostle Paul wrote @ Timothy 3: 12 Yea, and all that will lieu godly in Christ Jesus, shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wade worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceiued. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned, and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them. 15 And that from a childe thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise onto salvation through faith which is in Christ Iesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished onto all good works.

What does it accomplish to talk or write negative comments about JW’s? Nothing, but then again, everything. Will it bring down the Watchtower? No, but it makes us feel better to speak our truth it helps those who are seeking answers about this religion, it exposes the lies, the hypocrisy, the abuse of power.

YOU PEOPLE JUST DISCRIBED EVERY RELIGION KNOWN TO MAN. What makes all religion any better? The Catholic Church has being lying and hidings written works in order for people of the Catholic faith don’t wonder off since the 12 Century. What MAKES as you said YOUR TRUTH anymore tangible. If that’s your understanding, then the LIES, HYPOCRISY, AND ABUSE OF POWER comes from your end along side Catholics, Advents, Islam, Mormons, Evangelist, and Judaism ETC. So once again, what makes you any better? To speak the truth is not to force your view point on others, without corrupting bible principles. Your all theologians I assume. Theology basically started in the 1800's. Those who truly studied the bible are the remnants of what is taught today. PICK AND CHOSE ONE, OR MAKE YOUR OWN BECAUSE GOD GAVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAN THE REST OF US, AND THEN MOVE ON. All religions publish literature for everyone to read. What makes the JW’s literature any more special? The point of views of all religion is for all of us to decide what is the truth, unless you have a direct line to Yahweh, and then I really want to meet such a special person, as all written works of the bible were inspired by God for men to write it. I don’t mean god came to him in a dark alley like Mohammad or Jesus walked with me in a desert like Joseph Smith or I greet God every day in a dark room surrounded by gold to shake God’s hand like the Pope.

During negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of April 26, 1933 Hitler stated that "Secular schools can never be tolerated" because of their irreligious tendencies. Hitler routinely disregarded this undertaking, and the Reich concordat as a whole and by 1939, all Catholic denominational schools had been disbanded or converted to public facilities, equal to atheism.

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion: Try these people, they teach you to kill in the name of GOD, maybe that will keep you interested and awake.
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion, maybe this is better for you. You don’t have to hear God none sense, and you can be one with nature
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

Waldensians
Moravians
Lutherans
Calvinism
Anabaptists
Anglicanism
Nonconformism
Quakers
Baptists These guys enjoy singing and dance, and speaking in tongues, to have a direct line of conversation with God.
Methodism
Pentecostals

Eastern Christianity

Eastern Orthodox Church (Includes the Greek Orthodox , Serbian Orthodox , Russian Orthodox , Romanian Orthodox , Bulgarian Orthodox , and several other autocephalous churches and Patriarchates )
Russian Orthodox Old Believers
Eastern Orthodox Old Calendarists
Oriental Orthodox (Includes the Armenian Orthodox , Coptic Orthodox , Ethiopian Orthodox , and Syriac Orthodox , as well as a portion of the St. Thomas Christians )
Assyrian Church of the East
Ancient Church of the East
Eastern Catholics (In full communion with Rome, but retaining a diverse array of Eastern liturgical rites; including the Maronites and Chaldean Catholics )

Orthodox Christians are also interesting. They also teach you to hate and kill mankind. You may want to join them in Africa Sudan area. Muslims and Christians are killing each other right now in the name of religion. This shouldn’t be boring for you.

Other groups related to Christianity

Some of these groups consider themselves to be Christian, or to be derived from Christianity, but they are considered heterodox or heretical by mainstream Christianity. Some of them are no longer extant.

Jehovah's Witnesses
Christian Science
Christian Universalism
Seventh Day Adventists
Latter Day Saint movement
Nontrinitarianism
Swedenborgianism
Unification Church
Unitarianism (see also Unitarian Universalists )
Rastafarianism
Arianism
Ebonite’s (no longer extant)
Marcionism (no longer extant)

EXAMPLE: Speaking in Tongues

Lehman Strauss taught Old Testament history for eight years at Philadelphia Bible Institute, and served as pastor of the Calvary Baptist Church, Bristol, Pennsylvania, from 1939 to 1957.

He was pastor of Highland Park Baptist Church (Highland Park, Michigan) until the end of 1963 when he resigned to devote full time to an itinerant Bible conference and evangelistic ministry both in the States and abroad. Dr. Strauss was residing in Florida and writing his 19th book at age 86 when the Lord called him home in June 1997. His written materials are used by permission.

All Bible-believing Christians who study the Word of God are in agreement that the gift of tongues is present in the inspired Scriptures.

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My take on the meeting yesterday.

by integ in

some of you are aware of where i'm at with this whole thing.

i still occasionally go to meetings for family reasons but my attendance has been lack luster at best.

i'd say i go about once a month if that.. i empathize with those who are wary of taking the ultimate stand for fear of losing their family.

billythekid46

I don’t remember Christ Teachings to be boring, but then again the Jews killed him, so nobody really got a chance for Christ speeches to be repetitious. This comment is not for the Atheist, or Creationist, but for True Christians that don’t blaspheme against the word of God. Mind you by following God’s written word in the bible, NOT RELIGION: From the King James Bible 1611 Apostle Paul wrote @ Timothy 3: 12 Yea, and all that will lieu godly in Christ Jesus, shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wade worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceiued. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned, and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them. 15 And that from a childe thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise onto salvation through faith which is in Christ Iesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished onto all good works.

What does it accomplish to talk or write negative comments about JW’s? Nothing, but then again, everything. Will it bring down the Watchtower? No, but it makes us feel better to speak our truth it helps those who are seeking answers about this religion, it exposes the lies, the hypocrisy, the abuse of power.

YOU PEOPLE JUST DISCRIBED EVERY RELIGION KNOWN TO MAN. What makes all religion any better? The Catholic Church has being lying and hidings written works in order for people of the Catholic faith don’t wonder off since the 12 Century. What MAKES as you said YOUR TRUTH anymore tangible. If that’s your understanding, then the LIES, HYPOCRISY, AND ABUSE OF POWER comes from your end along side Catholics, Advents, Islam, Mormons, Evangelist, and Judaism ETC. So once again, what makes you any better? To speak the truth is not to force your view point on others, without corrupting bible principles. Your all theologians I assume. Theology basically started in the 1800's. Those who truly studied the bible are the remnants of what is taught today. PICK AND CHOSE ONE, OR MAKE YOUR OWN BECAUSE GOD GAVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAN THE REST OF US, AND THEN MOVE ON. All religions publish literature for everyone to read. What makes the JW’s literature any more special? The point of views of all religion is for all of us to decide what is the truth, unless you have a direct line to Yahweh, and then I really want to meet such a special person, as all written works of the bible were inspired by God for men to write it. I don’t mean god came to him in a dark alley like Mohammad or Jesus walked with me in a desert like Joseph Smith or I greet God every day in a dark room surrounded by gold to shake God’s hand like the Pope.

During negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of April 26, 1933 Hitler stated that "Secular schools can never be tolerated" because of their irreligious tendencies. Hitler routinely disregarded this undertaking, and the Reich concordat as a whole and by 1939, all Catholic denominational schools had been disbanded or converted to public facilities, equal to atheism.

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion: Try these people, they teach you to kill in the name of GOD, maybe that will keep you interested and awake.
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion, maybe this is better for you. You don’t have to hear God none sense, and you can be one with nature
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

Waldensians
Moravians
Lutherans
Calvinism
Anabaptists
Anglicanism
Nonconformism
Quakers
Baptists These guys enjoy singing and dance, and speaking in tongues, to have a direct line of conversation with God.
Methodism
Pentecostals

Eastern Christianity

Eastern Orthodox Church (Includes the Greek Orthodox , Serbian Orthodox , Russian Orthodox , Romanian Orthodox , Bulgarian Orthodox , and several other autocephalous churches and Patriarchates )
Russian Orthodox Old Believers
Eastern Orthodox Old Calendarists
Oriental Orthodox (Includes the Armenian Orthodox , Coptic Orthodox , Ethiopian Orthodox , and Syriac Orthodox , as well as a portion of the St. Thomas Christians )
Assyrian Church of the East
Ancient Church of the East
Eastern Catholics (In full communion with Rome, but retaining a diverse array of Eastern liturgical rites; including the Maronites and Chaldean Catholics )

Orthodox Christians are also interesting. They also teach you to hate and kill mankind. You may want to join them in Africa Sudan area. Muslims and Christians are killing each other right now in the name of religion. This shouldn’t be boring for you.

Other groups related to Christianity

Some of these groups consider themselves to be Christian, or to be derived from Christianity, but they are considered heterodox or heretical by mainstream Christianity. Some of them are no longer extant.

Jehovah's Witnesses
Christian Science
Christian Universalism
Seventh Day Adventists
Latter Day Saint movement
Nontrinitarianism
Swedenborgianism
Unification Church
Unitarianism (see also Unitarian Universalists )
Rastafarianism
Arianism
Ebonite’s (no longer extant)
Marcionism (no longer extant)

EXAMPLE: Speaking in Tongues

Lehman Strauss taught Old Testament history for eight years at Philadelphia Bible Institute, and served as pastor of the Calvary Baptist Church, Bristol, Pennsylvania, from 1939 to 1957.

He was pastor of Highland Park Baptist Church (Highland Park, Michigan) until the end of 1963 when he resigned to devote full time to an itinerant Bible conference and evangelistic ministry both in the States and abroad. Dr. Strauss was residing in Florida and writing his 19th book at age 86 when the Lord called him home in June 1997. His written materials are used by permission.

All Bible-believing Christians who study the Word of God are in agreement that the gift of tongues is present in the inspired Scriptures.

42

Did You Ever Learn Anything From The Meetings?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i found the meetings to be especially boring from the late 1980s on.

before that, we actually tried to make people want to listen.

the meetings were pretty interesting.

billythekid46

I don’t remember Christ Teachings to be boring, but then again the Jews killed him, so nobody really got a chance for Christ speeches to be repetitious. This comment is not for the Atheist, or Creationist, but for True Christians that don’t blaspheme against the word of God. Mind you by following God’s written word in the bible, NOT RELIGION: From the King James Bible 1611 Apostle Paul wrote @ Timothy 3: 12 Yea, and all that will lieu godly in Christ Jesus, shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wade worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceiued. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned, and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them. 15 And that from a childe thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise onto salvation through faith which is in Christ Iesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished onto all good works.

What does it accomplish to talk or write negative comments about JW’s? Nothing, but then again, everything. Will it bring down the Watchtower? No, but it makes us feel better to speak our truth it helps those who are seeking answers about this religion, it exposes the lies, the hypocrisy, the abuse of power.

YOU PEOPLE JUST DISCRIBED EVERY RELIGION KNOWN TO MAN. What makes all religion any better? The Catholic Church has being lying and hidings written works in order for people of the Catholic faith don’t wonder off since the 12 Century. What MAKES as you said YOUR TRUTH anymore tangible. If that’s your understanding, then the LIES, HYPOCRISY, AND ABUSE OF POWER comes from your end along side Catholics, Advents, Islam, Mormons, Evangelist, and Judaism ETC. So once again, what makes you any better? To speak the truth is not to force your view point on others, without corrupting bible principles. Your all theologians I assume. Theology basically started in the 1800's. Those who truly studied the bible are the remnants of what is taught today. PICK AND CHOSE ONE, OR MAKE YOUR OWN BECAUSE GOD GAVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAN THE REST OF US, AND THEN MOVE ON. All religions publish literature for everyone to read. What makes the JW’s literature any more special? The point of views of all religion is for all of us to decide what is the truth, unless you have a direct line to Yahweh, and then I really want to meet such a special person, as all written works of the bible were inspired by God for men to write it. I don’t mean god came to him in a dark alley like Mohammad or Jesus walked with me in a desert like Joseph Smith or I greet God every day in a dark room surrounded by gold to shake God’s hand like the Pope.

During negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of April 26, 1933 Hitler stated that "Secular schools can never be tolerated" because of their irreligious tendencies. Hitler routinely disregarded this undertaking, and the Reich concordat as a whole and by 1939, all Catholic denominational schools had been disbanded or converted to public facilities, equal to atheism.

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion: Try these people, they teach you to kill in the name of GOD, maybe that will keep you interested and awake.
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion, maybe this is better for you. You don’t have to hear God none sense, and you can be one with nature
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

Waldensians
Moravians
Lutherans
Calvinism
Anabaptists
Anglicanism
Nonconformism
Quakers
Baptists These guys enjoy singing and dance, and speaking in tongues, to have a direct line of conversation with God.
Methodism
Pentecostals

Eastern Christianity

Eastern Orthodox Church (Includes the Greek Orthodox , Serbian Orthodox , Russian Orthodox , Romanian Orthodox , Bulgarian Orthodox , and several other autocephalous churches and Patriarchates )
Russian Orthodox Old Believers
Eastern Orthodox Old Calendarists
Oriental Orthodox (Includes the Armenian Orthodox , Coptic Orthodox , Ethiopian Orthodox , and Syriac Orthodox , as well as a portion of the St. Thomas Christians )
Assyrian Church of the East
Ancient Church of the East
Eastern Catholics (In full communion with Rome, but retaining a diverse array of Eastern liturgical rites; including the Maronites and Chaldean Catholics )

Orthodox Christians are also interesting. They also teach you to hate and kill mankind. You may want to join them in Africa Sudan area. Muslims and Christians are killing each other right now in the name of religion. This shouldn’t be boring for you.

Other groups related to Christianity

Some of these groups consider themselves to be Christian, or to be derived from Christianity, but they are considered heterodox or heretical by mainstream Christianity. Some of them are no longer extant.

Jehovah's Witnesses
Christian Science
Christian Universalism
Seventh Day Adventists
Latter Day Saint movement
Nontrinitarianism
Swedenborgianism
Unification Church
Unitarianism (see also Unitarian Universalists )
Rastafarianism
Arianism
Ebonite’s (no longer extant)
Marcionism (no longer extant)

EXAMPLE: Speaking in Tongues

Lehman Strauss taught Old Testament history for eight years at Philadelphia Bible Institute, and served as pastor of the Calvary Baptist Church, Bristol, Pennsylvania, from 1939 to 1957.

He was pastor of Highland Park Baptist Church (Highland Park, Michigan) until the end of 1963 when he resigned to devote full time to an itinerant Bible conference and evangelistic ministry both in the States and abroad. Dr. Strauss was residing in Florida and writing his 19th book at age 86 when the Lord called him home in June 1997. His written materials are used by permission.

All Bible-believing Christians who study the Word of God are in agreement that the gift of tongues is present in the inspired Scriptures.