Posts by thedepressedsoul

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God & JW can't exist without "evil"

by thedepressedsoul in

i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

thedepressedsoul

I agree that there are different types of evil Hold Me. And humans are abot the most evil out of it all.

I do also believe though that evil is all around us and a form of it is needed in the bible.

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I'm my favorite type of JW - Double Life

by thedepressedsoul in

the borg's tactics on most jw work.

they put fear into their mind, they guilt trip them and basically make them scared to do anything when they are away from the kingdom hall.

it allows them to control every aspect of their life.

Oneeted, about 16+ years. I will say though, conventions and assemblies are getting very very hard. Holy crap are they long! I also never said I wasn't an apostate. But most apostates leave because they can't take it. I fall more in line with the "double life" category.

Service is also getting harder. More than 2 hours and I want to jump off a bridge.

Have you guys ever heard anyone call meetings or assemblies "fun"? I have never witnessed one ounce of fun at them.

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I'm my favorite type of JW - Double Life

by thedepressedsoul in

the borg's tactics on most jw work.

they put fear into their mind, they guilt trip them and basically make them scared to do anything when they are away from the kingdom hall.

it allows them to control every aspect of their life.

thedepressedsoul

Sir not to mention entertainment. I've heard a quite a few JW tell me stuff they've watched and I've been shocked.

I think porn is the #1 though.

I think most though do feel very guilty, how could they not? It's stuffed into their head at every meeting. That's the difference though.

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God & JW can't exist without "evil"

by thedepressedsoul in

i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

thedepressedsoul

Take a virus for example. To us and our cells any virus that enters our body is usually viewed as bad or evil. Our body tries to destroy it. To the virus though, our cells and us are the bad ones or the ones needing to be destroyed.

Is evil, good vs bad more "relative" then we're brought up to believe.

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God & JW can't exist without "evil"

by thedepressedsoul in

i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

thedepressedsoul

Even in animal life their is a sense of evil.

Is the spider evil for catching it's pray in a hidden web, wrapping it up, sticking it's fangs into it's pray and then eating it's insides? Or is the spider just surviving? The other side of the coin.

A snake can eat a baby chick, a tiger can take down a baby elephant. It's a necessary evil.

Stars explode, die or consume other stars, again it's necessary.

I'm not sure if evil vs good is as cut and dry as JW make it seem. I do know though that the god of the bible and if he created life definitely shows an evil side as JW would put it.

However, we're raised up being told what is good and what is wrong. In other cultures the exact opposite may be true.

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I'm my favorite type of JW - Double Life

by thedepressedsoul in

the borg's tactics on most jw work.

they put fear into their mind, they guilt trip them and basically make them scared to do anything when they are away from the kingdom hall.

it allows them to control every aspect of their life.

thedepressedsoul

The borg's tactics on most JW work. They put fear into their mind, they guilt trip them and basically make them scared to do anything when they are away from the Kingdom Hall. It allows them to control every aspect of their life. Through guilt and fear they are able to control what they do, what they watch, who they talk to and a majority of their life affairs.

I'm the type of JW, the one they probably actually fear more than apostates. I'm the type that can site through their talks, read their magazines and not feel one ounce of guilt or fear. It could be a whole Watchtower study on entertainment, what we should and shouldn't watch. I could comment on that Watchtower, give a talk on it and even talk to the "friends" after the meeting about it. Then, I could go home and watch anything I wanted without an ounce of guilt. It's a cool feeling of freedom.

Even in the congregation this allows me to discreetly put bits of information into publishers ears that can help them "awake".

I know I'm not the only type like this. We can act like we're all on board and yet live the life that we want to. They refer to us as the "double life". Again that saying puts fear and guilt on those that may be doing it. For those like me though, it doesn't do a thing.

It puts us in a better position then those of being an "apostate" as we can still plant seeds of doubt in peoples mind.

I'm not sure why but for some reason it makes me feel better than if I just straight up left. There is something about the feeling of hearing their crap and rules beyond the bible and then being able to go home and do as I please.

Maybe I'm crazy but it honestly makes me feel good "living a double life". I also think it may be my brains way of wanting to be free.

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God & JW can't exist without "evil"

by thedepressedsoul in

i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

thedepressedsoul

Hold Me - That sounded like a JC question haha

Honestly I don't know if I believe in God to begin with. I just noticed through bible reading that a certain form of evil is always needed.

When I use the word evil I am referring to JW view of evil.

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God & JW can't exist without "evil"

by thedepressedsoul in

i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

thedepressedsoul

I was thinking the other day that so far JW's and God have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of. Almost every bible prophecy and JW teaching would not exist without "evil".

Let's take the prophecy of Jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil. Judas had his fate sealed before he was even born. Without evil Judas and the pharisees none of that bible prophecy would have been fulfilled. They were counting and relying on evil and bad things to take place in order for it to be fulfilled.

Even with the wars of the old testament, it required a bad side to fight against.

I could never wrap my head around how Judas was destined to fail (If you take the bible seriously). When you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

Even look at JW today, they need that evil to fulfill their prophecy. There has to be wicked or nothing that they teach or believe in would have any relevance. Even after the big A there is still a evil being coming after a thousand years.

They focus and talk about evil more than the "world" does. I'm not sure if they worship the devil but they sure give him a lot of credit and focus in their talks.

I'm not sure where I am going with all of this but it was just an interesting thought I had the other day.

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Apostasy Trial - Part 2 - Satan is Using Google

by berrygerry in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=373zbncuuoq

thedepressedsoul

Great, now they're going to ban Google as the works of the Devil.

I have a feeling "apostate" is going to be a big talk/Watchtower Study Edition topic in the years ahead. I'll be hearing the word "Apostate" more than the word "soon".

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Where did the Buzz go?

by snugglebunny in

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i recently came across the very first kingdom song i ever heard.

twickenham, 1955. i was just a kid then of course, but i do recall the "buzz" that seemed to permeate everything, not dis-similar to that of an international rugby match.

people were smiling while singing their hearts out, the lunch-time queues for the cafeteria full of old friends getting re-aquainted, young lads and lasses eyeing one another and blushing furiously, sessions 2 untl 4 then 7 until 9.30 giving folk plenty of time to socialise.. where did it all go wrong?.

thedepressedsoul

It's funny you started this article, I actually wanted to start one on this very topic.

I agree 100% that JW's have lost their "charm". I think everyone that wrote an article here hit at least one point right. I wasn't around for the 70's 80's but I have noticed that even the 90's charm is no longer there.

It use to be somewhat exciting. You wondered how bible prophecy would unfold right before your eyes. I think one of the worst things they did to themselves was putting the GB in the lime light. Before, they were mysterious. You thought they were somehow special, knew more than anyone else and really had a direct line of communication. The more they are in the public, the more it is hard to believe. I have even heard hard core witnesses confused and mock Tony's rant for the Branch visit. Any mystery is gone, they know as much as any witness reading the bible. There is no longer nothing special there.

I also think getting rid of Tuesday meetings caused them to loose a lot of their charm. I remember sitting there, huddled in a small group studying the Revelation book and everyone talking about how the end would come. After the book study people would sit around and talk about world events and who the King of the North was. That all seems to be gone. I rarely hear about the King of the North yet. The "end" is just slipped into talks now and then, it's hardly a focus point anymore. Any conversation about the end is almost forced anymore.

Door to door has also gotten killed in the last 15 years. No one wants to talk or cares to talk. When they do, you're trying to defend your belief's now and hope they take the magazines at least. Most JW don't even bother anymore when someone brings up points at the door. Heck, more don't leave the hall until 10:30 and then take a break at 11 till 11:45 and do one call before heading back to the hall. The zeal from Joe publisher is gone. When you have one zealous person in the car most get annoyed at them for being so zealous and just want to get it over with.

Thursday meetings have become a chore and rows of empty seats. You see perfect demo after perfect demo. Nothing that is even close to what happens in the ministry. Most people look like they're falling asleep.

This religion has an uphill battle. As hard as it may seem I have noticed a lot of JW's who seem to disagree more and more with disfellowshipping. A lot are getting tired of their being a rule on everything and the do's and don'ts.

It's a weird time to be a JW. Most want to be happy, they want to post pictures on social media about fun they're having. It'll be interesting to see if the GB allows the fun to continue or if they tighten their grip soon.

I'd also like to add that 1914 is dead in most members mind. I never hear anyone bring it up. I never hear it brought up at the door and I hear witnesses complain when they have to go over it on a study and wish they could just skip it. The most I ever hear about it now is when it's brought up by the GB. They even tried to force it with that 1914 video we had to watch. I have yet to hear anyone doing that in the ministry since that video.