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  The Captive Mind of a former bethalite.

  by The Rebel in

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  i see years of acute economic crisis ahead for the w.t.

  this is evident with letting go of " volunteer" bethalites throughout the world.

  but my thread is on the consequences to the individual, and the organisation of letting " volunteer" bethalites go.. so what happens to the captive mind of the former bethalite when they are let go from bethel?

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  truthseeker100:

  Don't ever PM me you got that!!.
  I am sure all of us would love to hear about your life experience. Did you learn about the witnesses as a result of a study session at a federal penitentiary?.

  Not hostile. Yeah. Right...
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  JWs have more good points than bad

  by lsw1961 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

  2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

  this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

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  Isw1961:
  This shows one should take JW teaching in its essence, not in its details (which means: accept Kingdom Message, at the same time choose between other teachings—for example, ensure your own material independence flouting their teaching on higher studies for which there is no punitive measures taken)

  
  

  "For which there is no punitive measures taken"... LOL

  
  

  True, you went for higher education while your dad is an elder, but it might not have been taken so seriously back then

  Why not consider the current situation. Ask yourself these questions:

  
  

  1. Is it possible to be appointed as a ministerial servant / elder if you go for higher education?

  2. Is it possible to remain as a ministerial servant / elder if you go for higher education?

  3. Is it possible to be appointed as a ministerial servant / elder if you send your children for higher education?

  4. Is it possible to remain as a ministerial servant / elder if you send your children for higher education?

  5. Is it possible to be appointed as a ministerial servant / elder if you encourage higher education?

  6. Is it possible to remain as a ministerial servant / elder if you encourage higher education?

  7. Would you be viewed as spiritually strong or spiritually weak if you go for higher education?

  8. Would you be viewed as spiritually strong or spiritually weak if you send your children for higher education?

  9. Would you be viewed as spiritually strong or spiritually weak if you encourage higher education?

  10. Would you be viewed as going against the direction of the organization / disrespecting the organization, if you go for higher education?

  11. Would you be viewed as going against the direction of the organization / disrespecting the organization, if you send your children for higher education?

  12. Would you be viewed as going against the direction of the organization / disrespecting the organization, if you encourage higher education?

  13. If you choose to go for higher education, would the elders meet with you to discourage you from doing so?

  14. If you choose to send your children for higher education, would the elders meet with you to discourage you from doing so?

  15. If you encourage higher education, would the elders meet with you in the back room for a "friendly chat"?
  
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  Received a YouTube Hate Message

  by cappytan in

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  jehovah's witnesses are such loving people with christian personalities, are they not?.

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  (ps, yes, i have a youtube channel.

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  SAHS:
  Actually, I’m not really a “coward” so much as I choose to play it safe and cautious in order to not subject my longtime JW parents to any sadness, emotional pain, or shame. As much as I detest the JW cult for its dishonest and harmful policies and practices, I also know that my parents are very good, quality, and basically kind folks. The fence on which I must walk is more of a tightrope, but the real villain here is the WT cult organization, and I wouldn’t want my parents to suffer needlessly on account of it. Emotional blackmail, yes. It’s certainly a test of my unselfish compassion toward my mislead but very loving parents. (My sister and her family, and my aunts – well, that’s another story. We’re not exactly close, so to hell with ’em.)

  This is pretty much irrelevant as the scenario that I'm referring to is an entirely different one. An abusive individual lashes out at the OP, but does not dare to do so by posting a public comment, as he / she well knows that they would get flamed by other users if they do. Hence, the cowardy private hate message. Obviously, you misinterpreted my post

  Edit: I just noticed your comment above mine. I wasn't referring to you but rather the person on YouTube who insulted Cappy, that's why I used the term "He's". If it was meant to be for you, then I would have used "You're"
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  Received a YouTube Hate Message

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
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  jehovah's witnesses are such loving people with christian personalities, are they not?.

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  (ps, yes, i have a youtube channel.

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  He's a coward. Didn't dare to post a comment where everyone would see it!
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  What I would like to see soon!

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i would like to see one or better two members of the governing body get disfellowshipped and they both go off to write books like ray franz exposing the cult to all the sexual scandals, the hidden agendas with the stock market investments, the lawsuits, the laying of long time bethel workers, hidden sins by the higher ups and all the other nasty skeletons in the watchtower closet..

  what would be different today compared to rays time is that we now live in a social media world..

  they would be invited to talk in the oprah winfrey show, ellen degeneres show, the view, dateline.

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  Any GB member who defects can live in my basement, rent free. That is a promise.

  Err... what would your wife say?
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  Are You Easily Offended? 😠

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm sick and tired of everyone claiming to be "offended".

  if you are not politically correct, you will need to apologize for some perceived slight.. when i was an elder, i purposely avoided as much as i could, anybody that got easily offended.

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  I'm easily offended by JW's. How's that?
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  What would happen ??

  by Clambake in

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  2. experiences

  there is a certain elder in my wives hall that has seemed to developed a real interest her.

  first he seemed to feel a need to make sure all her blood cards were signed before she gave birth to our child.. he sends her text messages if she misses a meeting saying how much " we missed you last night ".

  he finally sent her a text wondering where her oct hours were , knowing she had some pretty serious tears from child birth and could hardly even walk, much less do field service ".

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  Dos she actually reply his texts? In such a situation, the best reply is always no reply
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  New Light: Don't hold hands during prayers

  by RR in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the watchtower november 15 study edition.. 19 when we are being represented in public prayer, we need to display reverential "fear of god.

  " (1 pet 2:17) there may be a proper time and place for some actions that would be inappropriate at a christian meeting.

  (eccl 3:1) for instance, suppose someone sought to have all in a group link arms or hold hands during prayer.

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  Some marriage mates might discreetly hold hands, but if they embraced each other during public prayer, those who got a glimpse of such conduct might be stumbled. They might think or get the impression that the couple was focusing on their romantic relationship instead of reverence for Jehovah.

  Simce marriage is viewed as a threefold cord, holding hands / embracing should symbolize a couple's coming together with Jehovah as a threesome. Nothing wrong with that =)
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  What I would like to see soon!

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i would like to see one or better two members of the governing body get disfellowshipped and they both go off to write books like ray franz exposing the cult to all the sexual scandals, the hidden agendas with the stock market investments, the lawsuits, the laying of long time bethel workers, hidden sins by the higher ups and all the other nasty skeletons in the watchtower closet..

  what would be different today compared to rays time is that we now live in a social media world..

  they would be invited to talk in the oprah winfrey show, ellen degeneres show, the view, dateline.

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  Sanderson seems to be one of the more decent ones. If anyone were to go, I think it might be Sandy...
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  Birthday. 2 years old.

  by punkofnice in

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  2. friends

  yesterday was my granddaughters 2nd birthday.

  they had a party for her.

  i bought a gift which she loved.

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  Wishing a happy birthday to little miss Punk! =)