Posts by sparrowdown

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The physical effects of Cognitive Dissonance

by stuckinarut2 in

most of us here have gone through, or are going through the various stages "cognitive dissonance".. this is a term used to describe a situation where our minds, and hearts just know that something is "not quite right", and therefore we find ourselves in a muddle trying to reconcile the things we know with the things we are hearing or being told.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cognitive_dissonance.

so just wondering, how many of you found yourselves (or still find yourselves) becoming phyiscally ill in some way during the time of fading?.

i know that when i look back, for several years even before i was awake to the many issues and facts about the society, i would feel ill at assemblies or conventions.

sparrowdown

How could the amount of intellectual and emotional denial required to be a JW not cause stress related psychosomatic symptoms?

I used to get back pain and muscle stiffness at conventions and blamed it on the seating and high heels, and while I'm sure the seating arrangement was crap and the high heels didn't help I never get same aches and pains now when I go to seminars or concerts where I am sitting for long periods of time.

The differences are the subject matter or performance is something that I chose and find interesting/entertaining. I'm not concerned that the people around me are judging me. I can dress however I want, leave whenever I want, and I don't have to like it. Or, if I do like it I can un-self-consciously whoop it up with the rest of the audience at the end and go and have drinks guilt free afterward.

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Worship of Men and Emphasis on Titles

by HereIgo in

i remember a few years back at a circuit assembly, a few bros were introducing themselves to the co, they made sure to mention that they were an ms or an elder from such and such cong.

i was also an ms, but was the only one that introduced themselves by just my first name.

i was so irritated and blown away at the arrogance by these bros, trying to impress men with titles!

sparrowdown

When you have so little to be personally proud of.....

Many JWs that are pioneering or reaching out for more privileges have minimum education, minimum wage jobs, no hobbies, no sports, no outside-the-cult interests, no individuality or outlet for self-expression.

Let's face it JW life is all about denying self and never doing enough so their (meaningless in the real world) titles become hugely important to them. They overcompensate for deep down feeling like a worthless piece of crap by bragging about their JW credentials and pedigree.

Sick, sad little cults like WT wield a stick and hold out a carrot - the titles and accompanying bragging rights are part of the "carrot" program.

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More speculation on Kingdom Hall closers and money grabbing?

by Crazyguy in

there continues to be more and more rumors of more halls being sold off some even taking the first offer.

the borg trying to get thier bond money back from the court in san diego asap and there's been elders meetings about this consolidation.

my questions is why after selling off all this real estate in new york for over a billion dollars are they still acting like thier broke?

sparrowdown

Don't worry bout it. It's all part of the GB's final solution..I mean master plan.

It goes something like this.

Sell off all the halls except for maybe one big "Potters House" style Hall where only the creme de la creme, invitaion only, demographically approved dubs will go and the meetings there will be broadcast. That's when they will become an internet sensation, amongst jws anyway. Add to that the perpetually overlapping generations and they're good to go for another 100yrs.

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Were Conventions, Asemblies and the Memorials boring to you?

by HereIgo in

conventions always just seemed like more of a vacation to me than anything else, especially if you had to travel out of town for it, but definitely were exhausting especially toward the end of each day.

for some reason i didn't mind the special and circuit assemblies too much, probably because they seemed like more of a social event than anything else and only 1-2 days.

the memorial always was kind of boring to me.

sparrowdown

They were so boring I would volunteer to do a few shifts at "mothers and babies" and also volunteer for the restroom cleanup crew - now that's the sort of I'm so bored I'm talking about here the "I'd rather be in the company of even more bored crying small children and clean dirty toilets bored!"

Next phase was "just shoot me, shoot me now."

If total mental breakdown occurred I entered into the silly bored phase then a great game to play at big conventions is too roll up tiny pieces of torn paper and see how many you can sit on top of the person's head in front of you before they shake their head. I think my friend and I got to about 5 it also helps if the person has big hair.

Yes, sessions were f***ing boring. Pre-sessions were vacuous, tedious "you're so vain" style meet and greet social torture.

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Petr Muzny: A Law Professor Explains His Faith

by konceptual99 in

this is absolutely feckin' priceless.. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/videos/viewpoints-origin-of-life/petr-muzny-law-professor/.

in yet another appeal to authority, jw.org has trotted out a professional to vouch for creation.

this guy is a law professor.

sparrowdown

"If the law professor supposes that - then the law professor is an ass!"

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Yoga pants parade to protest a mans comments on women's wear.

by ToesUp in

yoga pants parade.

i guess tight pants tony isn't the only man that needs to get a life!.

sparrowdown

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What is meant by the expression

by poopie in

jw
friends

persistent spiritual association?.

sparrowdown

Have you that have faded noticed that any JWs you have the misfortune of running into do not bring up any "spiritual" subjects?

Just as island man said, deterring persistant spiritual association with the spiritually weak/sick is part of any cult's hygiene protocols.

Keeping the apostate "virus" from spreading to non-affected dubs is to avoid or keep to an absolute minimum any "spiritual" association with weak or DA/DF family or friends lest the thinking/feeling virus spread.

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Should every J.W. be an evangelizer/preacher?

by The Searcher in

according to the wtbts all 1st century christians were evangelizers/preachers, and by extension, all modern-day j.w.

's should be doing likewise.

(for the moment, let's ignore the org's own contradiction that only their elite anointed class are "ambassadors", and that the preaching work was assigned to them!

sparrowdown

This never made sense to me while I was in. I have gone D2D with all manner of crazy or stupid witnesses who were absolute shit at the doors and I would have to try to politely "rescue" the householder whenever it was their turn to avoid creating a DNC.

I thought it was embarrasing and not a good look for any group to have just anyone representing them to the public.

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My Ex Wife Admitted She Doesnt Believe It's The Truth

by pale.emperor in

my ex-wife actually opened up to me today over the phone.

she was quite anxious and, i could sense, i little upset.

for those that dont know my situation im separated from my wife.

sparrowdown

Great news, good for her.

Hope she finds the courage to fade/leave it's well worth the pain and discomfort of doing so.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses view the governing body differently since seeing them on the TV?

by jambon1 in

jw
friends

i think this may be a bigger issue for the society than we realise.. when you consider that witnesses have now had well over a year of regularly seeing their 'channel to god' with their own eyes, what do you think they're thinking?.

i'm going to put this as respectfully as i can; these men are clearly a bunch of utter clowns who are laughably inadequate to present a tv show, but also, they are now ridiculously discredited due to the absolute shite that they've spoken in these laughable productions.. consider things from a jw's perspective; tony morris, stephen lett & geoffrey jackson are 'the channel' that makes their religion 'special'.

these men are the channel god is using to lead his people in the modern day.

sparrowdown

Good on sparky!

JBorg broadcasts are a bit like creepy clown sightings that last for an hour or so and more irritatingly they talk aswell.