Posts by sparrowdown

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Gradualism for the blood doctrine?

by no-zombie in

here in australia, during the service meeting this week, the local needs part was taken up to quickly discuss a letter from the organization stating that there will no longer be a annual meeting part to discuss or remind the congregations about their blood cards.. i found this quite odd.. its not like that there is a shortage of meeting time to discuss this issue, as the society has recently been hijacking more and more local needs parts for its own messages.

and for a supposedly important doctrine, you would think that it should be mentioned more often rather than less, to keep everyone in line.. could this be a beginning of the movement away from the blood doctrine, through the process of gradualism?.

no-zombie .

sparrowdown

Hmm just thinking outloud here but could it be the ridiculous "bunker" scenario presented a couple years back was a metaphorical "bunker." Information lockdown? The borg is removing coercive language, pruning controversial subjects from KH discussion that could be recorded and used in evidence while the policy itself still exists in by implication?

Essentially the borg going "underground." After all we all know how good WT is at saying something without saying something, getting the intended message across without using hard directives.

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Gradualism for the blood doctrine?

by no-zombie in

here in australia, during the service meeting this week, the local needs part was taken up to quickly discuss a letter from the organization stating that there will no longer be a annual meeting part to discuss or remind the congregations about their blood cards.. i found this quite odd.. its not like that there is a shortage of meeting time to discuss this issue, as the society has recently been hijacking more and more local needs parts for its own messages.

and for a supposedly important doctrine, you would think that it should be mentioned more often rather than less, to keep everyone in line.. could this be a beginning of the movement away from the blood doctrine, through the process of gradualism?.

no-zombie .

sparrowdown

What freddo said - cleaning house, ass covering.

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It's hard being bisexual and being a jw

by Sally fields in

i've been bi for a long time but i know it's wrong if you want to be a jw... .

sparrowdown

Sexual preference aside, do you actually want to be a JW?

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I yelled at a Dub today!

by kairos in

jw
friends

i was walking out of the store and i passed a former jw associate of 20+ years.

"keith"he was an elder, got df'd, lost his wife, got reinstated and last i heard started pioneering!so i see him as i'm walking to my parking spot.. i stop, look him straight in the face and yell from 20 feet away, "you're in a cult.

you're in a cult, dude!".

sparrowdown

Yes Kairos, keep going. Recovery is an ongoing process how you feel today may not be how you feel tomorrow and running into old friends is a trigger but if you keep moving forward there will come a day when you don't have to waste anymore emotional energy over these indoctrinated zombies.

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Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

by slimboyfat in

at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

sparrowdown

Yes please define consciousness in the context of this thread and dummies like me.

I assume Not talking about:

Level of consciousness from a medical POV which can be observed and tested.

Consciousness as in "I know I'am alive."

Deeper psychological/philosophical consciousness as in insight, understanding and awareness as to the true nature of one's own thoughts, feelings, behaviors and reality.

Is something that is "programmed" conscious?

What about stem cells for instance are they "conscious"?

What about water? A tree? A rock or a pet rock?

All very interesting guys.

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I yelled at a Dub today!

by kairos in

jw
friends

i was walking out of the store and i passed a former jw associate of 20+ years.

"keith"he was an elder, got df'd, lost his wife, got reinstated and last i heard started pioneering!so i see him as i'm walking to my parking spot.. i stop, look him straight in the face and yell from 20 feet away, "you're in a cult.

you're in a cult, dude!".

sparrowdown

Oh my God, he told someone he knew very well they're in a cult so bloody what! Sheesh, his only mistake that I can see was posting about it here.

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Revisiting the two witness rule, new light.

by Crazyguy in

it’s already been disgusted how mathew 18: verses 18 on showing that there’s not a cut and dry way to enforce a rule or law in another thread i started.

but let’s look at verse 16 the verse they like to quote.

the verse isn’t talking about having two witnesses to a crime or a wrong doing , it’s saying if you have a problem with a brother and he’s not willing to listen to your side off the issue to take some witnesses with you that agree with you to help establish that your point of view is in fact correct.

sparrowdown

It's not only been discussed we are all disgusted by it.

They could change this rule where it applies to child abuse allegations or any crime for that matter in a heartbeat, call it "new light" and everyone would be better off for it - everyone except WT that is.

If they changed this policy now would it be in effect admitting the policy was wrong? Would this open them up to even more historical liability? Would it open the floodgates to lawsuits from all the people that the rule adversely affected over the years?

I believe it would cost them more in reputation and money to change the rule than to keep insisting it''s their religion and it stands.

Same goes for blood and shunning they've painted themselves into a corner on these isssues and them and their legal team knows it. The best they can do is keep the wolves at the door by using the protections that religious freedom affords them.

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What is the benifits to living forever?

by Jayk in

can anyone give me a valid reason for it?

growing old is a drag.

the witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a bs answer..

sparrowdown

It's like JWs run a time scam they say give us all your time now and God will reimburse you later - after you have died - and he has resurrected you - at some undisclosed time and place - in the future - we promise 😉.

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hi, I am new, God bless all.

by Daniel Ronjom in

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friends

hi everybody.i am new to this forum.i have grown up as a christian in a christian family, but i recognized that jehovahs are more positive about peace on earth.

i believe in peace on earth too.

i believe in god and jesus and angels.

sparrowdown

No. Beauty contestants want "peace on earth" JWs want mass destruction of all non-JWs!

Buyer beware!

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I yelled at a Dub today!

by kairos in

jw
friends

i was walking out of the store and i passed a former jw associate of 20+ years.

"keith"he was an elder, got df'd, lost his wife, got reinstated and last i heard started pioneering!so i see him as i'm walking to my parking spot.. i stop, look him straight in the face and yell from 20 feet away, "you're in a cult.

you're in a cult, dude!".

sparrowdown

I 'm not gonna judge how you handle yourself around an old "friend." I'll just say yep, he in a cult.

Maybe apostates everywhere should ask cart people everywhere "can you prove to me this isn't a cult?"