I agree with xanthippe. JW minds run on a kind of economy mode all the time switching to "sleep" mode at meetings. The songs, like the meetings are boring, repetitive and unstimulating iow designed to make sure you stay "asleep" mentally.
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Subliminal Messages
by Lost in the fog ini was watching a fascinating ted-ex video on hypnosis and hypnotism with a friend.
my friend wondered if the jws new music might have a hypnotic suggestion buried somewhere in it which gets everyone in attendance to listen and absorb stuff that is totally irrational for the entire program.
ending with a second subliminal message in the final song along the lines of "you will snap out of this state when you next hear the word amen.
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What do Jehovah's Witnesses think of modern day Israel?
by bleak ini mentioned this to the two ladies who came by yesterday.
they indicated to me through bible readings (like 2 timothy 3 and another) that jw's are not what are called "christian zionists.
" is this true because if it is not (that jw's actually do support israel), i want no part of the jehovah's witnesses.
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Oh and btw JWs are a cult and generally don't think and when they do it's only what their leaders tell them to think.
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What do Jehovah's Witnesses think of modern day Israel?
by bleak ini mentioned this to the two ladies who came by yesterday.
they indicated to me through bible readings (like 2 timothy 3 and another) that jw's are not what are called "christian zionists.
" is this true because if it is not (that jw's actually do support israel), i want no part of the jehovah's witnesses.
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sparrowdown
Individual JWs and the org would not have an opinion on this or any other political issue "hot potatoe" or otherwise as they are commanded by their leaders to be politically neutral, not even voting. What and who the behind the scenes WT elite support, think and do behind closed doors is another thing and something we will never know. They recruited Jared Kushner to do a complimentary fluff piece endorsing them but then removed it later so go figure. Maybe it was part of the deal that came with buying the old WT HQ properties but strange behavior from "neutral people of God" considering he is Jewish and associated closely with Trump make of it what you will. They were also part of the UN as an NGO for ten years so go figure. Their old WT president wrote letters to Hitler so go figure.
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Cart Witnesses vs Faith Healing Church
by pale.emperor intoday in liverpool the cart witnesses were in their usual speck in bold street holding out their wafer thin rags and books that they literally can't even give away.
but today the city centre was flooded with some sort of black church handing out their leaflets and little invitations to a "special event" this sunday.
i took a leaflet off them as they handed it to me and they were very smiley and cheerful.
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Yes, I was glad for every opportunity to talk to anybody that wanted to talk out in FS even so-called opposers from other religions. I know that I was different and most sisters I worked with did not share my enthusiasm at all. They would pull on my arm and try to wrap up the conversation, their body language would get all stiff and defensive.
I could never understand this closed off attitude of many of my fellow witness "comrades" but seems they're all like it now. And it seems the WT never actually wanted witnesses like me that liked talking with people rather than at people.
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what big change could bring down the watchtower?
by stan livedeath inwhat single big change do you think could back fire and bring the cult down ?.
me: tithing..
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Any change either implemented by WT themselves or imposed upon them by outside forces that would bring about a massive class action law suit or seriously impact cushy tax exemption could in theory cause them to take a fatal monetary and/or reputational hit. We live in hope.
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Are You An Angry Exjw At This Point In Your Life?
by minimus ini’ve been here for many years.
the tone seems to be different in this place.
not so many pissed off exjws .
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You have been here a while minimus,16 years is a long time to be an "ex" anything.
Anyway, the question.
No I'm not. If you keep moving forward in your waking up process rage is only a temporary part of it, kind of like the stages of grief. It's not healthy to maintain anger, in fact how angry I get when I run into some JW I know is how I gauge my progress. My goal is neutrality and I'm almost there. Of course, some people, the ones I had more to do with, will trigger more of an emotional reaction than others so it's a work in progress I 'm only human after all, if you prick me do I not bleed....sorry I digress.
I am absolutely still passionate and interested in seeing WT and all controlling religions that interfere with peoples personal rights and decisions undergo serious reform or disappear altogether.
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Mind control
by Jrjw inive just watched on youtube the b.i.t.e model of cult mind control by steve hassan.
all 23 steps apply to the wts.
its awful knowing i was tricked and how subtly it was done without me even knowing.
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Yes very useful book, he explains the techniques employed by cults and the mechanisms of mind control ie thought reform very well.
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Why did the Governing Body come behind the curtain?
by RULES & REGULATIONS inin the movie the wizard of oz, while the whole yellow brick road gang was being addressed by the great and powerful wizard of oz, the dog toto ran off to the side, pulled back on a curtain, and showed that a normal-looking humbug of a person was operating cranks and levers.
for a short while, the normal-looking man kept yanking levers and cranking cranks, and said into the microphone (which made the great and powerful wizard speak the same words) "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
i am the great and powerful wiz .
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We can now see their ugly mugs but that's about it. They haven't come out from behind any curtain or closet or revealed anything. Most of what the GB and WTBTS do is still well and truly hidden from JWs. Even us as researching apostates only have glimpses of the tip of the iceberg re their business dealings, associates, back of backroom discussions, how they do things, to who and how much they pay for this and that, where the money is going where the money is coming from, the real reason behind new light, the legal department the real estate side of things, their plans for the future for the website etc... A full 360 degree of view? We don't know the half of it.
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Why the JW org should fail.
by Half banana indr margaret t singer, a professor of psychology at berkeley university california has studied the experiences of 700 cult members.
''consciously and manipulatively, leaders and their trainers exert a systematic social influence that can produce great behavioral changes,'' said dr. singer.. .
one of the ways the jw organisation exerts so much influence over its members is because it has created a culture sustained by constant propaganda, which polices itself according to how the leadership has moulded it.
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It should and would fail if it were only about truth, facts, logic, reason, accountability, but as you have touched on already it's not. Many JWs don't care whether there is proof for this doctrine or evidence for that claim they just want to be part of a group, a community of people who think the same, talk the same, walk the same, dress the same, love the same "God" and hate the same things. Some people like being told what to do, what to think and how to feel or not feel.
On that basis it may never fail.
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Oprah For President!
by minimus ini hope hollywood helps make her the democratic nominee.
she sounds like she’s testing out the waters.
good luck ms. winfrey.
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Nobody thought Trump would win -not even Trump. So, never say never, I spose.