Sidebar recollection of Uncle Winnie (hope you don't mind 😇). Winston Payne is one of the elder assholes that went through the questions for baptism with me. Scared the shit out of me because I had to meet with him in the back room of the hall on a Saturday afternoon when the hall was empty. I walked in the room he was sitting there waiting, and he invited me to sit in a chair that had been placed in the middle of the room. I expected that we would go over the questions from the Organized book in the same way the other elders did.
When I sat down he held up the Organized book he had had sitting on his lap and said "We don't need this, do we"
(rhetorical) he then reached over and placed the book on a table, then turned back to me and said "let's just chat."
I was so freaked out by this departure from procedure I barely remember what we chatted about, but I was approved for baptism, so whatever, it must have pleased "my lord." This guy was on a serious power trip and he enjoyed me squirming in my seat with nervousness. I have never forgotten it or The Great Winston Payne.
The experiences mentioned above I have heard before - total bs in my opinion.