Posts by sparrowdown

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

sparrowdown

Other stuff I would love to see WT change

blood policy

shunning policy

baptizing minors

issues of political neutrality especiallyin countries where punishments involve jail or worse

IOW how bout WT just gets the f*** out of peoples lives.

As for anyone who would love to see WT crash and burn.... well guess what they're allowed to because WT and it's minions can't tell them what to think and feel anymore. Why don't you go sue them or better yet change the legislation to make thinking and feeling illegal.

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If the WT is a "money making machine"...who gets the money?

by NikL in

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friends

i've seen claims over the years that wt is in the real estate, book publishing business and is a for profit enterprise at it's core.. can those of you that believe this to be the case tell me who benefits from all this wealth?.

the governing body lives in relatively humble conditions no?.

i've been curious about this for a while.

sparrowdown

Where is it proven that the GB live in "humble" conditions?

The truth is none of us know how they really live as we only "know" what they want us to "know."

Personally I would never define how they live (even the official version) as humble - or maybe I have a different definition of humble than you do.

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AND STILL NO RELEASE OF THE 2017 JW YEARBOOK

by steve2 in

here we are on the cusp of the new year, and the 2017 yearbook of jws has still not been released.

jw.org continues to feature the 2016 yearbook in its list of main publications.

in previous years, the upcoming yearbook's annual report on jws was released in november for the january 1st then the feb 1st watchtower, then earlier in december when it was only featured in the yearbook, then more recently with a couple of days of december 25th.

sparrowdown

What would they do if everyone partook? Now that's a memorial I would love to be at!

Sort of like a memorial partaker flash mob.

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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

i am new on this forum.

i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).

however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.

sparrowdown

"... the magical seven."

The seven gutless wonders!

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

sparrowdown

Also, what Blondie said!

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

sparrowdown

What OUTLAW said.

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

sparrowdown

If WT instructed it's elders to make it crystal clear to their members that they are NOT a confessional and instruct members to report crime to police we wouldn't need to have this discussion.

WT elders are not "clergy" you know that as well as I do.

In fact WT has gone to great lengths over the years to make it known they are the antithesis of "clergy."

Seems they are "claytons" clergy.

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FWD: let's get JW's propaganda out of Disneyland

by jacobm in

jw
friends

not sure if this has already been submitted, but we need exjws to mobilize on this.. from: https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5kzyfn/lets_get_jws_propaganda_out_of_disneyland/.

posted by: sweetpotatopeachtree .

i submitted the following on the disneyland facebook page (link below) on december 19th after seeing jws peddling their cult propaganda at downtown disney in anaheim, ca.

sparrowdown

Doesn't ToMo give a talk guilting families for visiting "a certain theme park" but have never visited Bethel?

Maybe WT would like to do a deal with Disney for a new ride based on the Sparlock and Caleb characters.

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

sparrowdown

You don't know what I feel.

I have never disagreed with you about working to change laws I have continued to say and say again it is a good goal to work towards.

WT should pass all cases of alleged abuse over to police whether it is required by law or not.

WT should inform all of it's members that that is the new procedure.

WT should suspend all privileges and duties of anyone accused including field service.

Wt should stop interrogating victims period.

WT should have the humility to recognize they do not have any lawful authority to conduct investigations or training to deal with victims and as such they need to work along with the authorities with any investigation and stop being the first port of call for victims essentially standing between the victims, the accused and the law.

End of.

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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

i am new on this forum.

i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).

however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.

sparrowdown

JWs will oficially shun disfellowshipped members but they reserve the right to unofficially shun anyone they want based on the arbitrary term of "bad ascociation." A bad associate would include anyone that knows "the truth" - that is their teachings but continues to contradict their teachings.