Posts by Swickley

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My JW Grandmother died

by KGB in

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well my jw grandmother died...am i sad ?

i do have to wonder if she is not facing jesu right now and being shamed for all the hate towards her grand children simply because they were not jw.

i only had a realtionship with her for about a year and it was only for short moments on the phone if i had happened to be over at my mothers when she called my mom.

Swickley

I guess thats why I never did get baptised because I am just not one to let my mind go so freely to just anyone.....

KGB -- I think it is more complicated than you indicate. JWs move in and overtake their prey just like trained experts (parasites). They "target" individuals who are down, have emotional problems, those who are lonely, abused, isolated from family and friends, etc. They extend (fake) friendship and loving attentativeness (contrived) to these wretched souls, and slowly pull them in. Prospective JWs more or less get "reeled in" slowly, and without even noticing they are giving up their autonomy. So, as for giving one's mind over, I don't think there is anything "free" about the whole process. Of course, there may be some who eagerly "let their minds go freely" but I would argue that the vast majority of recruits are just slowly sucked in. And the brain shuts down. Period.

All that being said, I am sorry you lost your grandmother.... and I'm even sorrier that the "borg barrier" prevented her from showing you the love that every grandchild needs and deserves.

Peace.

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questions about 1975 and other dates

by Leander in

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my wife and i were discussing the date of 1975 earlier this week and she basically was of the opinion that the individuals who thought the end was coming in that year came up with the date based on their incorrect assesment of published information.

i replied that would it make sense for thousands of people across the continent to sell their homes and all of their valued possesions if they really had the slightest doubt that armageddon was not coming in 1975. she did'nt have an answer for that retort but still she insisted that somehow these people must have made a mistake in their judgement.

so for those of you who may have lived through the 1975 fiasco and those who have in-depth knowledge about the events that took place in that year maybe you can answer a few questions for me.. how widespread was the belief that 1975 was the year of armageddon?

Swickley

Back in the early 70's there was lots of talk about "1975" and the end of 6000 yrs, and we should all prepare for "the end" at that time. All the silly sheep telling each other why it would be foolish to have children when "the end" was so near! What a crock. My eyes were opened around that time, and my daughter was born in 1975 -- she's my greatest gift, a non-JW, and a real brainiac. But I do know quite a few JWs who never had children --all because of the doomsday prophecy. I wonder how many of them have regrets (today) that they were more or less denied the chance to start a family because of the borg's bull___. Anyone out there fall into that category? If so, you have my sympathies.

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Drug Legalization

by Euphemism in

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okay, well there haven't been enough heated political debates here recently, so let's start another one... j/k, mods!

seriously, if i could get intelligent replies to this thread, rather than hyperactive fulminations, that would be much preferred.. my question is, how do you feel about the decriminalization of recreational drugs?

whatever you feel about the morality of using drugs, and taking as fact that the abuse of drugs is harmful, we're currently spending billions of dollars a year in a losing war on drugs, and in the process creating a whole criminal substructure that thrives on selling smuggled goods.. so here are my suggestions.. 1. allow the sale of recreational drugs to adults, exclusively at licensed and regulated establishments (along the lines of liquor stores).. 2. require that all drugs be carefully labeled with the exact amounts of all active ingredients, as well as a comprehensive list of all inactive ingredients, just as is required of pharamaceuticals.

Swickley

Ditto to all that, and I agree that the entire criminal justice system needs to be restructured. As it stands, the system discriminates heavily against minorities. Crack cocaine penalties are much more severe (crack is cheaper and more affordable for low-income and minorities) while the penalties are less severe for the elite white power that is sniffed by wealthy socialites and middle class. As for hemp legalization -- this could also help to save our environment. It has been said that if hemp were legalized in the U.S. we would never have to cut down another tree. Hemp has so many uses- paper, clothes, food, etc, but so many people do not realize the usefulness of this product (they just think it is something you smoke!). But the tree industry and other lobbyists will make sure it never becomes legalized-- they would lose big profits, and they could care less about saving the planet (e.g. dubya is a good example).

Peace.

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Looking back today, What is your biggest "disappointment" about being a JW?

by run dont walk in

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for me it has to be my family, there not stupid, i was a little kid (the youngest) during the 1970's, all my brothers and sisters were in their teens/20's, what didn't they see ??

and why don't they see it today ??.

truly baffles me,.

Swickley

Hey Rem, it's never too late to get that education so don't rule it out. I finally entered undergrad at the tender young age of 46, and law school 4 yrs later. Go for it, and don't let anyone or any negative thoughts hold you back.

All the best

Swickley

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Do you believe in Armageddon ??? Watchtower sure scares them good !!!

by run dont walk in

alot of discussion referring to the new book released learning from the great teacher, and the scene of armageddon page.

what a pile of garbage, how could the society justify in publishing such pics.. if/when armageddon comes (which i doubt), it probaly would not take more than one minute.

i cannot see people running around screaming in terror, with their clothes torn and beating each other up, like the watchtower portrays, just another scare tactic for the watchtower.

Swickley

Hamas, you are so right. Just a tool invented by the bourgeois to keep the proletariat under control. Practically speaking, its worked quite well for them.

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Grandparents rights

by Swickley in

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i left the cult over 25 years ago and never looked back.

sadly, my daughter has recently returned to "the freakin flock" and now my granddaughter is being indoctrinated.

i am no longer allowed to even see her unless my fanatical jw daughter supervises every word -- and then its only once every 6 months for a few hours.

Swickley

Francois, what you said is very interesting. Why would a liberated woman, seeking the best interest of her child, be opposed to a grandparent's visit? I agree with Hillary that it takes a village to raise a child. This assumes, of course, that the village is not made up of idiots (cult mentality).

What exactly did NOW find so difficult with the concept?

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Grandparents rights

by Swickley in

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i left the cult over 25 years ago and never looked back.

sadly, my daughter has recently returned to "the freakin flock" and now my granddaughter is being indoctrinated.

i am no longer allowed to even see her unless my fanatical jw daughter supervises every word -- and then its only once every 6 months for a few hours.

Swickley

Thank you all very much.

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Grandparents rights

by Swickley in

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i left the cult over 25 years ago and never looked back.

sadly, my daughter has recently returned to "the freakin flock" and now my granddaughter is being indoctrinated.

i am no longer allowed to even see her unless my fanatical jw daughter supervises every word -- and then its only once every 6 months for a few hours.

Swickley

Thank you for your thoughts and kind words. I think their must be many of us out there who have experienced the same thing with their grandkids. I am definitely going to court to battle for her -- otherwise I may lose her forever. Yes, my granddaugter is also allowed to see her Aunt who is a non-JW, and her other grandparents-- all of whom are non-JWs. I am blacklisted since I'm an ex-JW. Still, I only seek the best for my granddaugther, and as a young grandmother, there is much I can offer and hopefully many more years left to spend with her. Once I go through the litigation process, I will be glad to share with any one else who is interested. The grandparent rights statute is still constitutional in our state.

All the best

Swickley

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Looking back today, What is your biggest "disappointment" about being a JW?

by run dont walk in

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friends

for me it has to be my family, there not stupid, i was a little kid (the youngest) during the 1970's, all my brothers and sisters were in their teens/20's, what didn't they see ??

and why don't they see it today ??.

truly baffles me,.

Swickley

That I brought this cancer into my family, that it destroyed and separated my family, and broke my parents' hearts. Once you contract the cultist cancer, it lives on and on and the grief associated with it is unfathomable. But it was "me" that opened the door and let them in, so it's all my fault ... and the nightmare never ends.

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Grandparents rights

by Swickley in

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i left the cult over 25 years ago and never looked back.

sadly, my daughter has recently returned to "the freakin flock" and now my granddaughter is being indoctrinated.

i am no longer allowed to even see her unless my fanatical jw daughter supervises every word -- and then its only once every 6 months for a few hours.

Swickley

I left the cult over 25 years ago and never looked back. Sadly, my daughter has recently returned to "the freakin flock" and now my granddaughter is being indoctrinated. I am no longer allowed to even see her unless my fanatical JW daughter supervises every word -- and then its only once every 6 months for a few hours. She can no longer come to visit me because my daughter fears that I might say something against the cultist organization. So, after having a close relationship with my granddaughter for her entire life, she is being kept away from me while the dark figures hover over her and fill her full of sadistic JW ideology.

I will be going to court (pro se) to petition for grandparents' rights and I wonder if anyone else has had this experience? If so, how did it turn out? Any information will be greatly appreciated.