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  The Confederate Flag

  by Simon in

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  the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.

  he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.

  not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.

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  zimunzucz

  FYI, even if you have valid points, using WND as a source just makes you look utterly looney.

  I suppose, you have been following the news about Hillary Clinton's upcoming Rico lawsuit in Florida ( 2 weeks in January)

  on NBC news? -- go ahead google Hillary Clinton on google news-- you'll see there is no mention of a Rico trial concerning the the Clinton foundation in over 10 pages of google search results-- but just add the word "rico" to her name on a google news search and then you can find out about it. Many educated people would rather be ignorant about this stuff, than have an honest major news media.

  Even the National Enquirer can be right before the mainstream media-- they pay reporters to go out and investigate, instead of just using government issued talking points.

  you need to stop doing this--

  An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, means responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than to the content of their arguments. When used inappropriately, it is a fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticized
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  The Confederate Flag

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  the latest controversy over the confederate flag just sums up to me the state of dysfunction that exists in american society.. in summary: a white supremacist nutter shoots 9 black people dead in a church.

  he's clearly inspired by the messages of others which the confederate flag is often a symbol of.. it seems like a no-brainer to remove it.

  not only isn't it removed, it isn't even lowered at all as a mark of respect.. and of course now there are the people who want to defend their right to have it.

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  zimunzucz

  Unfortunately Simon, what you said about the Confederate Flag, also applies to the current flag- Afghanistan and Iraq being notable examples of failed wars and America's desire to force our ideas of democracy on other cultures.

  The president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis was never convicted of any crime and all charges were abandoned years later, when the Federal government could not prove their charges in a court of law. This information is not found in regular school history books, either. I'm a born yankee, but facts are facts. It was technically legal for them to succeed from the union, but Lincoln started a war. I believe a new Washington DC corporate UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION ( all caps- different from the original one) enacted about 10 years after the Civil war has closed that loophole.
  

  The Charleston shooter, Dylann Roof, had been arrested months earlier and was caught with powerful prescription drugs-- drugs that can cause a person to act out violently.

  Many of the mass killers have that in common- using psychiatric drugs with known violent side effects- this doesn't fit the liberal media playbook, so you must dig for that info, Simon. had he not been using those drugs, it is very likely there would have been no mass murder-- big pharma has major blame here, IMO.
  

  http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/big-list-of-drug-induced-killers/

  We had 2 mass shootings this past weekend- but they were black on black and not of any interest to Obama.

  http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/philadelphia-detroit-suffer-mass-shootings-over-weekend
  
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  Where are the Young Elders?

  by James Jack in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was appointed as an elder when i turned 30, 25 years ago.

  which was the norm back then.. now, i very rarely here of a young man becoming an elder.

  in our town we have 2 english congregations.

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  zimunzucz

  I forgot to mention it was late 1975 when Jehoovers holy ghost picked me to be an elder at age 25 or so.

  Funny, the local elder body ( roofer, carpenter, cement mason, carpet cleaner, etc) asked me if there was anything that could keep me from being appointed an elder- I said No (haha), expecting jehoover to know better - NOT. I later learned it's pretty much a rubber stamp process by the CO.
  

  It all went downhill after that.-
  
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  Jw's don't let their kids die because of blood...

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  another nauseating detail i remember from saturdays program.

  there is a video (one of so many) shaming young people for being afraid to admit they are jw's.

  one australian girl talks about how one of her teachers was saying jw's let their children die over the blood issue (fact) and she goes on to say how that is not true.

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  zimunzucz

  One of the saddest JW, no-blood, ritual suicide stories I know of--

  Pregnant Jehovah's Witness and her baby die after she refused a blood transfusion, chemotherapy and a C-section due to her religious beliefs

  
  

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3027599/Jehovah-s-Witness-baby-die-refuses-blood-transfusion-seven-months-pregnant-cancer-80-chance-surviving-treatment.html
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  Jw's don't let their kids die because of blood...

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  another nauseating detail i remember from saturdays program.

  there is a video (one of so many) shaming young people for being afraid to admit they are jw's.

  one australian girl talks about how one of her teachers was saying jw's let their children die over the blood issue (fact) and she goes on to say how that is not true.

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  zimunzucz

  Now I know why my comments at the hotel full of JWs last Sunday morning ( at breakfast) about, 1914 to 2014 - 100 yrs and nothing has happened , yet-- and blood transfusions seemed to hit them hard. They were all pretty much choked up and unable to say a word as I hammered away at them.
  
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  Two creation stories in the bible, why have I never noticed this??

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm reading a very interesting book right now "your god is too small" by the atheist republic.

  it makes the point that there are two creation accounts in the bible!.

  in one humans are created after the animals in the second humans are created before the animals.

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  zimunzucz

  I had a 30 minute discussion with Mormon missionary lads about Genesis ( and other points) 2x this year. I explained to them that Genesis is a metaphor, not literal fact. They really don't think about stuff- perhaps more so than JWs, IMO.
  

  the last story I always leave Mormons with--

  2 LDS missionaries meet 2 Jws on the sidewalk-- each unsuccessfully tries to persuade the other that they have the "truth"

  There are 3 three possible choices- do you know what they are? pause-

  #1- the JWs are right and Mormons are wrong

  #2- The Mormons are right and JWs are wrong

  #3- do you know what #3 is? ( they usually act dumb, so I have to tell them)

  Its, they are both wrong! Neither one has the truth!
  

  Man does that go over like a lead balloon- but they need to think about that possibility.
  
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  Where are the Young Elders?

  by James Jack in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was appointed as an elder when i turned 30, 25 years ago.

  which was the norm back then.. now, i very rarely here of a young man becoming an elder.

  in our town we have 2 english congregations.

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  zimunzucz

  I was appointed an elder at age 26, and about 2 years later I stepped down. I had seen enough of jehoovers guiding hand. Once burned, always burned. To this day, I am loathe to do volunteer work in my place of worship. I will help out for a one time task, but steadfastly refuse to be nominated for any position that requires responsibility and attendance at monthly meetings.
  
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  If you had any doubts about the pitifully poor mental prowess of Watchtower and JWs in general ...

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if you had any doubts about the pitifully poor mental prowess of watchtower and jws in general then i'm sure this week's watchtower study (week of june 15-21, 2015) completely obliterated such doubts.

  the study article (watchtower april 15, 2015, page 19: how real is your relationship with jehovah?

  ) was filled with blatantly fallacious reasoning that were outdone only by the more fallacious reasoning on the part of commenting jws.. the article, in paragraph 2, says this about a relationship with jehovah:.

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  zimunzucz

  I read a story some years ago that said the statistics from 2009-2010, showed religious church going people suffered the same amount of job loss, unemployment and foreclosure as nonreligious people.

  this is the story I tell-

  100 people are diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and all 100 pray for a healing.

  25 people go into remission and 75 people die.

  the 25 who live, tell everyone that god answered their prayers, but the 75 who are dead, can't tell anyone that prayer does not work. The moral is, prayer that doesn't work is under reported.
  
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  This is why Jehovah's Witnesses do Not celebrate birthdays. It is just so obvious.

  by JakeM2012 in

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  attackers kill 1, wound 11 at child's birthday party in detroit.. http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/21/us/detroit-birthday-party-shooting/index.html.

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  zimunzucz

  I often ask JWs why they don't celebrate birthdays and they come back with the standard WT line-- " well, John the baptist got his head cut off", etc

  So I ask them, "if it was an anniversary party instead of a birthday party, then does that mean JWs wouldn't celebrate an anniversary?"

  JWs are speechless- I then explain they are using false WT logic to deduce that birthdays are forbidden for Christians.

  I also ask them if they knew that very often only the kings and priests in Bible times had access to and knowledge of calendars, so the common people just didn't know what day they were born on, hence, they couldn't celebrate a birthday, even if they wanted to. I have yet to meet a JW who has thought this birthday prohibition through using sound logic.
  
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  Can't sign out!

  by stillin in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  my wife has recently become very curious about my activity on my ipad.

  i delete my browsing history but if she should discover this site and my identity here, she will gladly hand me over to the hangman, something i have managed to avoid for quite some time now,.

  i hit the "sign out" button, but i find that i'm still logged in!

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  zimunzucz

  No problem with going slow, which is a subjective definition. I think it was about 3 or 4 months after I started reading the good stuff, that I shared with my wife some ideas about blood transfusions. She just told me, "you're an apostate", so at that point I knew she had closed her mind. In my mind, I was going slow with her, too. I think that JWs today are more quick to pull the trigger on anyone who expresses opinions contrary to the current WT dogma.
  

  My wife and I have open computers and smart phones-- she and I know each others passwords, too. There have been times when we needed to send a fax for an email and one of us wasn't home. There are no secrets in our house. Maybe, that is not the norm with spouses, today.