i'm trying to harmonize matt.
23:10 with hebrews 13:17. any thoughts?
or is this a contradiction?.
I'm trying to harmonize Matt. 23:10 with Hebrews 13:17. Any thoughts? Or is this a contradiction?
Matt. 23:10 "Neither be called 'leaders' for your Leader is one, the Christ." Heb. 13:17 "Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive." Some translations say "Obey your leaders."
Bonnie
anyone remember that?
i learned to read on that book.there were some very disturbing images,like the earth opening up and people falling into it.like upside down ladies and hippies.id love to get a hold of one and peruse it with a friend and some herbal medicine.maybe there is one in the attic?anyway,that and the image of the snake talking to the beautiful,bare shouldered eve,who was holding an apple,made a big impression on me.any else have any faves from that book?is it still being used?.
I remember the "Paradise" book like it was yesterday. Our daughter was only two years old Clyde and I were reading to her out of that book, and before we knew it she was reading herself. We were so proud that she could read quite well by the time she was four. I remember looking at that picture and saying some like, "Bad people--die at Armageddon." When our next child was born, a son, we tried to teach him to read the same way, and all he would do was hit the book and try to tear the pages. Well, our daughter is still a staunch witness, waiting for Armageddon to strike us dead--but our son, who wanted to tear the book up when he was little, wants nothing to do with the organization.
Oh I also remember how clearly the book explained the 70 or 80 year generation, and I even used that book to study with several people.
being raised in the jehovah's witnesses for 44 years ( exited 7 years ago ) - i observed many different variables that made each witness tick or operate.
but one of the most common variables was witnesses wanting to excel in progressing to positions becoming elders, ministerial servants, or pioneers because then and only then would they be looked at as allegedly " spiritual " or closer to jehovah.
but i learned as years went by that having a " position " in the congregation didn't make a person anymore " spiritual " or closer to god than witnesses who were not in appointed positions.. myself- having been appointed a ministerial servant at the tender baby age of 20 yrs.
We had a circuit overseer who announced from the platform that he was leaving the circuit work because his daughter was having triplets and he felt that she needed his help. I had great respect for that man (wish I could remember his name).
i'm sitting here working away and about half an hour ago, i felt everything start to shake.
i thought "what the heck is that?
" they're doing construction next door so i thought maybe that was it, but apparently, we just had a earthquake here in southern ontario and quebec.. anyone else feel it?.
Didn't feel it even though some people felt it in our area. How many people have earthquake coverage on their home? I decided several years ago to spend the extra $100/yr just in case. I remember two years ago waking up at 5:30 a.m. with my bed shaking. I've mentioned earthquake insurance to several of my friends and they don't think they need it. My insurance agent says she has very few people with the coverage.
yet another generation thread... but this clears up quite a bit of the ambiguity in the watchtower/outline explanations.
in "remain in the secret place of the most high", the closing talk of the 2010 district convention, the following clarifications were made on the 2010 generation overlap:.
the generation spoken of in exodus 1:6 includes all those mentioned whose lives overlapped (joseph, brothers, children, grandchildren).
Blondie - I found the info in the "Let Your Name Be Sanctified Book", starting on page 335 and continuing for several pages. It suggests that when Rutherford was on his death bed and he summoned two men of the anointed remnant (who we know to be Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr), that, "It appears that there the Elijah work passed, to be succeeded by the Elisha work." It inferred that Rutherford's death was like crossing the Jordan River. Paragraph 7 "In 1942, in the throes of World War II, the Elijah work passed."
This book came out in 1961...I remember studying it back then but didn't know it was "new light."
yet another generation thread... but this clears up quite a bit of the ambiguity in the watchtower/outline explanations.
in "remain in the secret place of the most high", the closing talk of the 2010 district convention, the following clarifications were made on the 2010 generation overlap:.
the generation spoken of in exodus 1:6 includes all those mentioned whose lives overlapped (joseph, brothers, children, grandchildren).
Rutherford wrote about the Elijah class and the Elisha class which took over in 1928 from the early anointed. So this is not a new idea because remember the WTS taught that the anointed would go to heaven in 1914.
Addition: the Elisha class took over in 1919 and was given a "double portion" of what Elijah received.
Blondie - I'm a bit confused. I remember the "Let Your Name Be Sanctified" had the Elisha class taking over in 1942 when Rutherford died.
during my trek through the jw's i often heard talks and comments stating how witnesses were humble and meek, unlike the haughty-title loving people of the world especially christendom.
well i just received my 2010 alumni directory that covers everyone who graduated from the two high schools that were part of the district i live in.. so i spent the afternoon parusing its pages when i came across a listing for a guy who is now an elder in the congregation i used to attend.
here is how he describes himself.
As Clyde would say, "I'm so proud I'm humble."
the wt of september 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on unity.
one is titled: unity identifies true worship and the other christian unity glorifies god.
of course it is more uniformity, not true unity.
I'm going to ask a rather embarrassing question as I should know the answer by now. Isn't it true that I can get the KookAid edition of the WT on www.watchtower.org? If so, how to I find them? I want to see the entire 9/15/10 article.
when did they start praying and singing songs again?
what was the reason given?
or is the situation still the same?.
Even though I was a good dub back in 1989, I remember being surprised when I saw the announcement in the WT that the brothers in Mexico were now allowed to use the Bible, to pray, and to sing songs. I wondered why there hadn't been a letter writing campaign about it. Didn't find out until I read Ray's book.
we were at a party (get-together in jw speak) and somehow the ones i was talking with changed the subject to a talk given by the co that "the end is closer than we think.".
i just sheepishly asked the group ... "i don't understand that phrase, "the end is closer than we think.
" i said my parents told me i would never go to school, then later that i would never graduate from high school, and that i would never get married.. then i mentioned my parents were expecting the end to be in 1975 ... my grandparents were expecting the end numerous times in the 1920's and 1930's.. so i very nicely asked, "isn't is more correct to say "the end is farther than we think?
I have to ask if the end is so close, why do most witnesses seldom talk about it except among themselves? I remember talking about Armageddon a long time ago when I went from door to door, but then we were instructed to just talk about the wonderful peaceful new world. I've seen some TV shows about religions that believe Armageddon is imminent and JW's are never mentioned.
