I enjoyed your book too, Don. You wouldn't remember me, but 10+(?) years ago you responded to an email I sent before I was completely out of the organization. I remember you were in the process of writing your book.
Bonnie_Clyde
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ThirdWitness Wants To Destroy Captives of a Concept
by t33ap80c ini have had numerous conversations with thirdwitness.
it seems that one of his goals in life is to protect the world from me and my "captives of a concept.".
someone by the name "settingtherecordstraight" has posted many of thirdwitness comments on several webpages, including: .
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As a Witness - What did you Notice in How Elders Got Appointed ?
by flipper ini found it amazing being raised in the witnesses to see exactly who got appointed sometimes as an elder.
it seemed that the criteria in my opinion had more to do with getting 10 hours a month in field service, answering at meetings, carrying microphones as a ministerial servant, or handling the magazine or literature counter !
in doing these " functions " and attending meetings on a regular basis - a man was thought to be considered " spiritually strong " and qualify to be an elder and serve on judicial committees judging people's personal problems.
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Bonnie_Clyde
"When it was decided to re-jig the whole arrangement and bring in an arrangement of elders who were "appointed" through holy spirit. For those original elder positions what that amounted to was all who were servants sitting in a big circle and going from on brother to the next deciding if any would/should be excluded for any reason from a list that would be sent (in our case to Toronto) of ones that were approved locally for appointment in bethel."
Booby - that's exactly how Clyde described it when they changed to the elder arrangement (about 1972). Although he was in line to be almost the top dog, he decided right then that he didn't want to be an elder. He shocked everybody because at the time being appointed an elder was a coveted position. I remember being disappointed myself. Clyde did accept the position of MS for a few years before his fade.
Bonnie
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As a Witness - What did you Notice in How Elders Got Appointed ?
by flipper ini found it amazing being raised in the witnesses to see exactly who got appointed sometimes as an elder.
it seemed that the criteria in my opinion had more to do with getting 10 hours a month in field service, answering at meetings, carrying microphones as a ministerial servant, or handling the magazine or literature counter !
in doing these " functions " and attending meetings on a regular basis - a man was thought to be considered " spiritually strong " and qualify to be an elder and serve on judicial committees judging people's personal problems.
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"When it was decided to re-jig the whole arrangement and bring in an arrangement of elders who were "appointed" through holy spirit. For those original elder positions what that amounted to was all who were servants sitting in a big circle and going from on brother to the next deciding if any would/should be excluded for any reason from a list that would be sent (in our case to Toronto) of ones that were approved locally for appointment in bethel."
Booby - that's exactly how Clyde described it when they changed to the elder arrangement (about 1972). Although he was in line to be almost the top dog, he decided right then that he didn't want to be an elder. He shocked everybody because at the time being appointed an elder was a coveted position. I remember being disappointed myself. Clyde did accept the position of MS for a few years before his fade.
Bonnie
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-15-10 WT Study (ANGER)
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the 08-15-10 wt study (june 15, 2010, pages 15-19)(anger).
review comments will be in red or headed by comments.
wt material from today's wt will be in black.
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Bonnie_Clyde
A few years ago one of our visiting speakers read a news article about a driver who during an act of "road rage" murdered another driver. The speaker laid the article down, looked out towards the audience, and stated, "That's something that Jehovah's Witnesses don't do." I thought to myself, "And most other people don't do it either."
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Live music in the Kingdom Halls
by Quillsky ini recall being young and having a lovely solo pianist accompanying the singing in our hall.. in around the late 70's the obligatory (canned, sad) recorded music replaced live musicians.. anyone have any more detailed memories of live music and the subsequent changeover?.
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Bonnie_Clyde
I played the piano at our hall up till 1990 and quit of my own volition. I was upset about with the elders about reading my son's name from the platform that he was being "publicly reproved." They brothers told me many times that they liked my playing better than the recordings, and I know I could have continued for a long time if I'd chosen to.
I also played for assemblies, alternating with another piano player...and yes, one of the reasons they quit was because it took "too much time" rehearsing. We were all accomplished musicians and we only got together to rehearse once prior to the assembly - on a Sunday evening - and that's all the time we needed. We also really enjoyed the commeraderie. So what would we do with our Sunday night now? TV, Movie, Bowling?
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Accused Fake Jehovahs Witness Charged With Sevier Burglaries
by Bangalore inaccused fake jehovah's witness charged with sevier burglaries.. http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/aug/13/accused-fake-jehovahs-witness-charged-sevier-burgl/.
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Bonnie_Clyde
That's interesting. In our neighborhood we just started a Neighborhood Watch, and I'm the block captain. The day after our meeting last week, we had a guy pounding on our door about 1 p.m. who was selling Kirby vacuums. So I sent out an alert to the people in my "block" about a guy in a white van and another neighbor called back to say that there were actually two more inside the van. The following day there some guys selling asphalt paving, and another block captain sent out the alert. It's quite rare that our area ever get sales people because we live in the country. That got me thinking...when the JW's go through area, I hope they will all be reported. Even though I never think of JW's being dangerous, it's very possible that "fake" JW's could case the area for the purpose of burglary or worse. I plan to report any "JW's" that I don't recognize. I also got the following email:
"Just a reminder to that "No Soliciting" within our county without permission from the townships. If they cannot produce documentation then contact us so they can a first warning or very large fine for violating this order. Most businesses know that."
I suppose the JW's are exempt from this?
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Bonnie_Clyde
I remember thinking...I've gone this far, even though I suspect it's not the truth, I can't give up now. Then it occurred to me--it will never get easier. Better do something about it now.
Clyde has a friend who is 86 years old, in a nursing home and knows it's not the truth, but he couldn't give it up Now he's miserable. At least Clyde goes to visit him regularly which is more than 99.9% of the witnesses do.
Bonnie
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"Come Be My Follower" - Christendom is bad for sponsoring charities and feeding the poor - what?
by Bonnie_Clyde ini just got the "come be my follower" book and am shocked at their illustration on page 186. maybe i'm more shocked that at one time i would have accepted this warped reasoning.. first they quote jesus at matt.
7:21-23: "'lord, lord, did we not...perform many powerful works in your name?
' and yet then i will confess to them: i never knew you!
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Bonnie_Clyde
I remember a woman in the d2d work who asked why JW's don't do anything to help the community. I pointed out that in a way we do--we have helped a lot of people break free of drug and alcohol addiction. Later it dawns on me that other churches could say the same but most of them do much much more. I saw an article in a local paper about a bunch of church members who got together on a Saturday morning and cleaned up the yard of an older couple and washed their windows. The witnessses might think of doing something like that - but after they're done with their Saturday morning magazine work, they have to take care of their own needs. I remember an ex-elder from another congregation who told us he was removed as an elder because he didn't put enough emphasis on door to door. He had actually organized a group to cut firewood for an older couple so they could heat their home--but this took the brothers away from the ministry.
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"Come Be My Follower" - Christendom is bad for sponsoring charities and feeding the poor - what?
by Bonnie_Clyde ini just got the "come be my follower" book and am shocked at their illustration on page 186. maybe i'm more shocked that at one time i would have accepted this warped reasoning.. first they quote jesus at matt.
7:21-23: "'lord, lord, did we not...perform many powerful works in your name?
' and yet then i will confess to them: i never knew you!
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Bonnie_Clyde
I just got the "Come Be My Follower" book and am shocked at their illustration on page 186. Maybe I'm more shocked that at one time I would have accepted this warped reasoning.
First they quote Jesus at Matt. 7:21-23: "'Lord, Lord, did we not...perform many powerful works in your name?' And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness."
para 11: Many today who call themselves Christians might find those word puzzling. Why would Jesus direct such strong words to people who have been performing "many powerful works" in his name? The churches of Christendom have sponsored charities, aided the poor, built hospitals and schools, and performed many other works. To see why they have earned Jesus' anger, consider an illustration:
para 12: A father and mother need to go on a trip. They cannot take their children along, so they hire a babysitter. Their instructions to her are simple: "Take care of our children. Feed them, make sure they are clean, and keep them from harm." When the parents return, though, they are shocked to see that their children are famished. They are dirty, sickly, and miserable. They are crying for the babysitter's attention, but their cries go unheeded. Why? She is up on a ladder, washing the windows. Furious, the parents demand an explanation. The sitter replies: "Look at all that I did! Aren't the windows clean? I made repairs to the house too, all for you!" Would the parents feel better? Hardly! They never asked her to do those jobs; they just wanted their children cared for. her refusal to heed their instructions would infuriate them.
They admit that Christendom is trying to take care of the physical needs of their people and somehow this is going to incur God's wrath. But the Watchtower does very little in a material way (unless they can get newspaper publicity), but God loves them because they feed people spiritually. See James 2:14-17.
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R.Franz "Christian Freedom" Bk - Misuse of Disfellowshipping -WT Hypocrisy
by flipper injust finished the chapter in ray's " christian freedom " book on " misuse of disfellowshipping .
i highly recommend anyone reading it as it has numerous experiences of individuals who were mistreated so unjustly by the wt society's rigid rules - many in spite of 40, 50, or 60 yrs.
of faithful alleigance to the wt society's rules.
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Bonnie_Clyde
"Fortunately, my son and wife have recovered and are doing well, and I see them happier than ever since leaving the org. I ask myself, why in the world did I ever join? But, when I search for that answer, I knew it was because, it appeared they had answers to certain questions that I never thought that could get answered. At first it appeared that the love poured in when you first entered, BUT once in the org it all felt different. I wish I had more insight at that time."
Anator, Clyde and I had the same experience. Actually our marriage was falling apart, the kids seemed to be going their separate ways. We now don't see the need of any religion although we still feel that we are spiritual persons. Our sons and their families feel the same way and all of this has drawn us closer together as a united family. We've often disussed, there is only one thing in the Bible that really matters--the two great commandments, to love God and neighbor.