Bonnie_Clyde

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  Why My Generation Thought Porneia Was Non-DF'able.

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in jan 1962, the wt published a questions from readers about what was and wasn't acceptable in the sack for married couples.

  the article contained a paragraph, that to us teenagers, seemed to say that prayer for forgiveness for non-marrieds was sufficient if you hadn't gone "all the way" and just engaged in sexual activity that stopped a whisker short of actual intercourse.

  here's the paragraph:.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Forgot to ask - what publication did your quote come from?
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  Why My Generation Thought Porneia Was Non-DF'able.

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in jan 1962, the wt published a questions from readers about what was and wasn't acceptable in the sack for married couples.

  the article contained a paragraph, that to us teenagers, seemed to say that prayer for forgiveness for non-marrieds was sufficient if you hadn't gone "all the way" and just engaged in sexual activity that stopped a whisker short of actual intercourse.

  here's the paragraph:.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I can't believe I am actually able to log on. Haven't been able to for over two months and finally gave up. Just thought I would try.

  I was a teenager back at that time, and I remember clearly that it wasn't reportable unless there actually was intercourse. Anything less could be considered "loose conduct" but it was between you and Jehovah. There weren't nearly so many committee meetings back then.
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  How can I find the Watchtower on the UN website?

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have the website www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf.

  but when i go on www.un.org, i can't figure out how to get to the watchtower.

  i don't see any links to the dpi/ngo section.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I have the website www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf. But when I go on www.un.org, I can't figure out how to get to the Watchtower. I don't see any links to the DPI/NGO section.

  Isn't it great that the UN finally posted a letter?
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  The UN Posts Their Letter!

  by jgnat in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  did our letter-writing campaign work?

  http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf.

  here are some lovely instructions drafted by syn, and hosted by valis, on how to navigate to the site yourself.. http://www.sassquatch.com/syn/un_ngo_letter/.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I was able to access the letter. What I can't figure out is how I can go directly the UN site and get to the NGO/DPI Section. I would like to make it look like I found it on my own. I clicked on the "Welcome" but don't know where to go from there.
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  4-01-04 WT - 666, mark of the beast

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been having problems posting for the last couple of weeks.

  i've been watching for someone to post on this article.

  i saw no reference at all to the united nations--only vaguely to the political powers.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I have been having problems posting for the last couple of weeks. I've been watching for someone to post on this article. I saw no reference at all to the United Nations--only vaguely to the political powers. Does anyone have any comments
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  It may not be a scandal but it's certainly Scandalous, alternative service

  by shotgun in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in 1998 the wt addressed concerns where many felt like they served prison time needlessly due to refusal of alternative civilian service which upto 1996 had been considered the same as military service.

  *** w98 8/15 p. 17 strengthening our confidence in gods righteousness ***feelings of having suffered needlessly.

  6 in the past, some witnesses have suffered for refusing to share in an activity that their conscience now might permit.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  That very article in the 98 WT was one of the things that got me thinking. I wondered how alternative service could be wrong one day and the next day, by the stroke of a pen, it could be permitted.
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  TELL US YOUR LACK OF LOVE STORIES FOR THE LURKERS.

  by shamus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jesus said, "you will all know my followers by they're works".

  in a recent thread that i made, which lie hurt you the most, most posters presented they're arguments, and pretty much all of them said that the "lack of love" was horrendous.

  why don't you write out your lack of love stories so that the lurkers can visit and see what this destructive high-control-group (aka, cult) does to the emotional health of sheep who are sick and weak.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Get this one - in the 1960's there was a dear elderly sister in a nursing home. I remember going to visit her and during our conversation she mentioned going to heaven. Since she was only baptized a three or four years earlier, I felt she couldn't be of the anointed so I mentioned this to our congregation servant (earlier name for presiding overseer). A few weeks later I heard her name read from the platform that she had been disfellowshipped. In those days, I never questioned anything, but recently the name came up when speaking with an elder. He told me that she had to be disfellowshipped because she preferred the King James Bible over the New World Translation. So much for our telling people that we use all translations.

  What haunts me is whether my telling the elder about this sister mentioning a heavenly hope could have prompted some sort of investigation.
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  Attending a Funeral

  by nowuask in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a neice of mine passed away a few weeks ago at the age of 24. i did attend the funeral at the church she attended.

  the family asked to give a brief talk about her using her own copy of her bible.

  one of the elders found out about it.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  I would have told them that your relatives would "not understand" if you did not attend the funeral. As far as using your niece's Bible, we tell people we that Jehovah's Witnesses use all translations. We are very open minded.

  Interestingly, I remember a dear elderly sister back in the 1960's who was disfellowshipped because she preferred the King James Bible over the New World Translation. An elder told me that was the reason and he thought it was a valid reason. Back then I never questioned anything.
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  Can a pedolphile reform?

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i need help soon - i was molested by my brother when i was about 9 or 10 and he was about 15 or 16. it has been about 50 years now.

  the only way i got him to stop was when i threatened to tell my parents.

  since then, i was completely quiet about it.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  A note to "Lady Lee" - I forgot to mention that my brother moved back into my area. He lives just a few miles away.
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  Can a pedolphile reform?

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i need help soon - i was molested by my brother when i was about 9 or 10 and he was about 15 or 16. it has been about 50 years now.

  the only way i got him to stop was when i threatened to tell my parents.

  since then, i was completely quiet about it.

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  Bonnie_Clyde

  Thanks so much for the input. I'm not sure the financial issue will go to court.

  My father did physically abuse my brother during his childhood. He was an extremely stubborn child and wouldn't cooperate. He didn't just get spankings, they were beatings. However, I rarely got a spanking (I was afraid to misbehave). Also my father allways treated my mother very well.

  Interestingly, I just called my brother's ex-wife. Out of the blue, she asked me if my brother had ever (physically) abused me. I said, yes, a lot. And I told her of several instances including a couple even after we came into the truth. She said she would never have married him if she had known. I apologized for not telling her. The irony was that my brother even tried to break the engagement, but one of the elders counselled him that you cannot break an engagement because it is as binding a vow as the vow of marriage. These two unhappy people endured 35 years of marriage before it finally dissolved.

  I am Power of Attorney for my father, who is now incapacitated, while working a full-time job. My brother is retired and has all the time in the world. He has been poking through old records and has somehow convinced my father that I am mis-managing funds (which I am not). I have to provide documentation for every move I make. Problem is, even when I do provide documentation, it is misinterpreted. He is also ticked about a gift that he discovered my father made to me three years ago and feels he should have half of it. I finally wrote a letter to my father and brother (which I will be delivering soon) that I do not care to take care of finances any more and that the two of them can handle it. As far as the gift is concerned, I am seriously thinking about giving my brother half just to appease him, but I am also hurt that he is turning my father against me, and all the memories of physical (and sexual) abuse during childhood are flooding back.

  Yes, I probably could use some therapy, but I want to tell you that I have the most wonderful husband in the world. On this board I will call him "Clyde." I also have three wonderful children and two grandchildren. They make me happy, and I realize that I just have to accept that the other part of my family is dysfunctional.

  As far as the molestation issue is concerned, yes I will be careful. He doesn't seem to gravitate to children so that is a plus. I will have to think carefully about whether I should reveal my brother's behavior. If I do, I had better do it with someone else present as I feel it is possible that he might react with his fists (as he has done many times in the past).