many times at the kh i heard the various brothers boasting how the kh had good numbers in attendance and the churches of christendom did not.. i 've just worked out why this is; you cannot leave.
you either fade, get df'd or da yourself.
talk about hobson's choice.. talk about me seeing the light!!!.
Many times at the KH I heard the various brothers boasting how the KH had good numbers in attendance and the churches of Christendom did not.
In my neck of the woods also, both Catholic and Protestant churches are thriving. The truth matters not. If attendance was dwindling, "Christendom's waters are drying up" and JWs will feel superior. If attendance is thriving, "They go because they like having their ears tickled - it's not real godly devotion" and JWs will feel superior.
i'm looking to see what the 1985 version of the kit says at matthew 27:52-53. i'm looking for the word-for-word greek/english part.
i have a 1969 kit, so i just need to compare to see if there's been any changes between the two.
if you can send me a scan of it, pm me.
Try this link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/iqzeiy It looks like it still works.
heres a pm id like to share concerning my story about pioneering where the need was great parts 1, 2, and 3.. hi giordano,.
ive enjoyed reading your story about going to a hall that had a need back in the 1960s.
one thing ive wondered though, what it is like going to a tiny little congregation like that.
Bruja - please note the placement of the quote marks. The PM with the story is Giordano's own.
Good read, G.
today's watchtower lesson touched on the history of hezekiah's reign, and then made a surprising modern-day application.
having used my time before the meeting to research the underlying material instead of highlighting my magazine, i personally found this to be an upsetting study, and decided to put this warning here in the hopes that some active witnesses read it.. the most important thing i want to say to you is that the actual flow of events in this bible account were severely misrepresented, and that there are some disturbing implications in the distortions that were made.
1. hezekiah's father ahaz makes himself a vassal to assyria out of fear of their overwhelming might (2 kings 16:7, 8).. 2. upon becoming king, hezekiah rebels against assyria (2 kings 18:7).
today's watchtower lesson touched on the history of hezekiah's reign, and then made a surprising modern-day application.
having used my time before the meeting to research the underlying material instead of highlighting my magazine, i personally found this to be an upsetting study, and decided to put this warning here in the hopes that some active witnesses read it.. the most important thing i want to say to you is that the actual flow of events in this bible account were severely misrepresented, and that there are some disturbing implications in the distortions that were made.
1. hezekiah's father ahaz makes himself a vassal to assyria out of fear of their overwhelming might (2 kings 16:7, 8).. 2. upon becoming king, hezekiah rebels against assyria (2 kings 18:7).
It would be bad enough if only 2% would do it.
today's watchtower lesson touched on the history of hezekiah's reign, and then made a surprising modern-day application.
having used my time before the meeting to research the underlying material instead of highlighting my magazine, i personally found this to be an upsetting study, and decided to put this warning here in the hopes that some active witnesses read it.. the most important thing i want to say to you is that the actual flow of events in this bible account were severely misrepresented, and that there are some disturbing implications in the distortions that were made.
1. hezekiah's father ahaz makes himself a vassal to assyria out of fear of their overwhelming might (2 kings 16:7, 8).. 2. upon becoming king, hezekiah rebels against assyria (2 kings 18:7).
Sorry, DD - just finding the reactions disturbing. I'd be interested to know how many responded, how many expressed similar sentiments to those above, and how many (or if anyone) said they would not take the pill. I'm interested because of overhearing a similar conversation many years ago (when I was a wide-eyed, naïve dub) between some elders.
today's watchtower lesson touched on the history of hezekiah's reign, and then made a surprising modern-day application.
having used my time before the meeting to research the underlying material instead of highlighting my magazine, i personally found this to be an upsetting study, and decided to put this warning here in the hopes that some active witnesses read it.. the most important thing i want to say to you is that the actual flow of events in this bible account were severely misrepresented, and that there are some disturbing implications in the distortions that were made.
1. hezekiah's father ahaz makes himself a vassal to assyria out of fear of their overwhelming might (2 kings 16:7, 8).. 2. upon becoming king, hezekiah rebels against assyria (2 kings 18:7).
Re: DD's post #3942
These are real JWs' comments, right? You're not yanking our chains?
i have recently revived my interest in the night sky.
there are a lot of great sights you can identify with just a pair of binoculars.
i am currently relearning how to navigate my way round all the constellations and find some of the best objects.. i live out in the country so we get almost total darkness right outside my front door.
What prologos said. The astro-heads in my local amateur astronomical society recommend going to a few sky-watching events and using their telescopes first before buying one. You can pick their brains and get ideas about which telescope is suitable for the kind of observing you want to do. Also, they are changing their equipment all the time, selling their unwanted scopes, so you might get a bargain from them.
today's watchtower lesson touched on the history of hezekiah's reign, and then made a surprising modern-day application.
having used my time before the meeting to research the underlying material instead of highlighting my magazine, i personally found this to be an upsetting study, and decided to put this warning here in the hopes that some active witnesses read it.. the most important thing i want to say to you is that the actual flow of events in this bible account were severely misrepresented, and that there are some disturbing implications in the distortions that were made.
1. hezekiah's father ahaz makes himself a vassal to assyria out of fear of their overwhelming might (2 kings 16:7, 8).. 2. upon becoming king, hezekiah rebels against assyria (2 kings 18:7).
Excellent critique, Apognophos! It's going to be useful for when this comes up in discussion with the JWs I know.
A couple of quibbles:
2. Upon becoming king, Hezekiah rebels against Assyria (2 Kings 18:7). Being that they are a vassal state left to rule themselves, the only conceivable way to rebel is to stop paying tribute.
3. It is at this point that the Assyrians attack (2 Kings 18:13)... because they were provoked by Hezekiah.
As you say, Hezekiah's rebellion has been placed early in his reign. It's followed by the account of Assyria's attack on Samaria in Hezekiah's 4th year. However, it's only in Hezekiah's 14th year that Assyria attacks Judah. Either it wasn't a serious rebellion up to that point or the Assyrians weren't too bothered (unlikely) or Hezekiah only plucked up the courage to rebel later in his reign. What is clear: something ticked off the Assyrians in that 14th year, i.e. Judah switching allegiance (2 Ki. 18:19f.).
5. Hezekiah then begs for forgiveness from Assyria, and is fined a certain amount of gold and silver. To make the payment, he gives all of the silver in the temple to Sennacherib, as well as lots of gold. Where does he get the gold? By stripping it off the posts at the entrance to the temple! (2 Kings 18:14-16)
[Later comment] Next, he pays Sennacherib to leave him alone by pillaging God's house of everything shiny, while apparently leaving his own treasure-house alone.
He took silver from his own treasure house too.
(2 Kings 18:15, 16) Therefore Hez·e·ki′ah gave all the silver that was to be found at the house of Jehovah and in the treasures of the king’s house. At that time Hez·e·ki′ah cut off the doors of the temple of Jehovah and the doorposts that Hez·e·ki′ah the king of Judah had overlaid and then gave them to the king of As·syr′i·a.
hi guys and gals,.
i have written an article that explains how the watchtower society gets from 607 bce to 1914 (http://www.jehovahswitnessblog.com/faqs/why-is-1914-important/) but i need some input so that i can write an article on how they get from 1914 to (via 1918) 1919.. are we talking about ezra, 1:2-4 when the persian king cyrus allows the israelites to go and rebuild the temple 3 and a half years after exiling them?
if so, how has the watchtower used this passage to get to 1919??.
It was to do with the parallel with Jesus' life and ministry. It's an old idea even though the quote below is recent.
Revelation Climax (revised version) chap. 6 p. 32 [Box] Unlocking a Sacred Secret
A Time of Testing and Judging
Jesus was baptized and anointed as King-Designate at the Jordan River about October 29 C.E. Three and a half years later, in 33 C.E., he came to Jerusalem’s temple and threw out those who were making it a cave of robbers. There appears to be a parallel to this in the three-and-a-half-year period from Jesus’ enthronement in the heavens in October 1914 until his coming to inspect professed Christians as judgment began with the house of God. (Matthew 21:12, 13; 1 Peter 4:17)
