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  Update on Alan Feuerbacher's heart attack that he had last Sunday

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  alan'swife, julie, talked to the cardiologist this morning.

  the news about alan's heart is good.

  he described the heart attack as mild and said that although there is damage to the lower portion of his heart, the pumping action probably won't be affected much.

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  AnnOMaly

  Good to hear Alan's doing well. I look forward to reading his killer essay
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  Lunar eclipse April 14th 2014

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/april_2014_lunar_eclipse.

  it says it's the 15th but that's in ut.

  i am in utc-6 (on dst) so for me and those who have a chance to see it it will be on the 14th starting at 9:58pm and ending at 2:58 am on the 15th.. .

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  ILoveTTATT - if you get to photograph it, would you post some of the pics here?
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  ....and the deaf will hear again!

  by snare&racket in

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  the moment a 39-year-old deaf woman hears someone for the first time, thanks to cochlear implants......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ueo9itfxic.

  .

  enough said..

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  Some background on this lady:

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-26779079

  Her sight has been worsening since her 20s so it was all the more wonderful that she could be given a sense of hearing.
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  GB when they die, there's a paradox

  by pixel in

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  so, i was thinking about pierce's dead.

  so, supposely he is in heaven, right?

  and down here on earth, they are going to give a talk about him, maybe with his body present or his body already buried, but the question is, if his body is still here on earth, what went to heaven?

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  AnnOMaly

  the question is, if his body is still here on earth, what went to heaven? Is not that what other religions call soul??

  Bingo!

  They believe (without realizing it LOL) a kind of substance dualism for the 'anointed' who die from 1918; monism for everyone else. Two kinds of human with two different natures. Very Gnostic.

  Overview: http://cct.biola.edu/blog/2013/jan/08/overview-monism-dualism-debate-human-composition/
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  Memorial 2014: Wrong date?

  by AnnOMaly in

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  this was meant to have nice inserted pictures and tidy hyperlinks but the forum's being glitchy today.

  so unfortunately it's going to be a messy post where you're going to have to exercise your tapping fingers and click on the links to the pics to see what i'm referring to.

  sorry about that.. in the article recently studied "do this in remembrance of me" (w13 12/15), there is a box on p. 23 giving the date of this year's memorial and how that date is arrived at.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013926.

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  AnnOMaly

  JWs may have arrived at the same date in the Gregorian calendar but they think it corresponds to Nisan 14, whereas the Jews think it corresponds to Nisan 15. Both think it corresponds to the date of the Passover.

  As far as Jewish practice goes, JWs are associating Passover with the wrong date (the 14th rather than 15th) and they have miscalculated the sighting of the new crescent to start the month (should be March 31 rather than April 1). So it's not really an agreement in calculations but a coincidence that JWs and Jews have arrived at the same Gregorian date this year.
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  Memorial 2014: Wrong date?

  by AnnOMaly in

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  this was meant to have nice inserted pictures and tidy hyperlinks but the forum's being glitchy today.

  so unfortunately it's going to be a messy post where you're going to have to exercise your tapping fingers and click on the links to the pics to see what i'm referring to.

  sorry about that.. in the article recently studied "do this in remembrance of me" (w13 12/15), there is a box on p. 23 giving the date of this year's memorial and how that date is arrived at.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013926.

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  Thanks for posting Leo's comments, Phizzy :-)

  Surely, Jesus as the ultimate sacrificial Lamb would be killed when other lambs were being slaughtered, otherwise the biblical parallel doesn't fit so well. Jesus would be sitting down to a Passover meal before "Christ our Passover lamb" (1 Cor. 5:7 RNWT) was slaughtered. This would suggest that the final meal Jesus shared with all the apostles was a last supper rather than a Passover.
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  HI

  by LillyC in

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  i have only just joined but thinking of giving up already.. it does not seem very easy to use this forum really.

  my topic does not seem visible.

  i don't know how to do my profile or anything.. finding it difficult.. .

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  AnnOMaly

  The forum is oldish and at times temperamental. The profile is basic. I haven't been able to change mine for years. Simon the admin is working on a new site. The 10 postings per day restriction is temporary.

  And welcome
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  Memorial 2014: Wrong date?

  by AnnOMaly in

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  this was meant to have nice inserted pictures and tidy hyperlinks but the forum's being glitchy today.

  so unfortunately it's going to be a messy post where you're going to have to exercise your tapping fingers and click on the links to the pics to see what i'm referring to.

  sorry about that.. in the article recently studied "do this in remembrance of me" (w13 12/15), there is a box on p. 23 giving the date of this year's memorial and how that date is arrived at.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013926.

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  wizzstick, yes, you're doing nothing wrong. It'll be the converter. Passover this year begins sunset Monday April 14 which corresponds to Nisan 15.

  Check another page on the same site: https://www.hebcal.com/holidays/

  "All holidays begin at sundown on the evening before the date specified in the tables below." Pesach (Passover) 2014 is listed as April 15-22. This means Pesach begins at sundown the evening before, i.e. April 14.

  This makes it clearer: https://www.hebcal.com/holidays/pesach

  "Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan in the Jewish calendar ... Mon, 14 April 2014 at sundown (15th of Nisan, 5774)."
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  Memorial 2014: Wrong date?

  by AnnOMaly in

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  this was meant to have nice inserted pictures and tidy hyperlinks but the forum's being glitchy today.

  so unfortunately it's going to be a messy post where you're going to have to exercise your tapping fingers and click on the links to the pics to see what i'm referring to.

  sorry about that.. in the article recently studied "do this in remembrance of me" (w13 12/15), there is a box on p. 23 giving the date of this year's memorial and how that date is arrived at.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013926.

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  AnnOMaly

  You know, TD, the WT Library CD-ROM has no comment on the timing in Num. 33:3. Curious, that.
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  Memorial 2014: Wrong date?

  by AnnOMaly in

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  this was meant to have nice inserted pictures and tidy hyperlinks but the forum's being glitchy today.

  so unfortunately it's going to be a messy post where you're going to have to exercise your tapping fingers and click on the links to the pics to see what i'm referring to.

  sorry about that.. in the article recently studied "do this in remembrance of me" (w13 12/15), there is a box on p. 23 giving the date of this year's memorial and how that date is arrived at.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013926.

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  AnnOMaly

  How do JW's interpret this? (Luke 22)

  "The day of the unfermented cakes now arrived, on which the passover [victim] must be sacrificed; and he dispatched Peter and John, saying: “Go and get the passover ready for us to eat.” ..... At length when the hour came, he reclined at the table, and the apostles with him."

  Do they believe it means what it says or do they apply an esoteric JW spin to it?

  The same edition of the WT, previous article, has a section on that - http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013925#p14

  (Now the indents don't work! LOL.)

  ----[QUOTE]----

  "The Pentateuch and Haftorahs points out that Exodus 12:6 says that the lamb was to be slaughtered 'between the two evenings.' Some Bible versions use exactly that expression. Others, including the Jewish Tanakh, translate it 'at twilight.' Still others, 'at dusk,' 'during the evening twilight,' or 'around sundown.' So the lamb was to be slaughtered after the sun had set but while there was still light, at the start of Nisan 14.

  "In later times, some Jews thought that it would have taken hours to slaughter all the lambs brought to the temple. So Exodus 12:6 was understood to refer to the end of Nisan 14, between the time when the sun started to decline (after noon) and the end of the day at sunset. But if that were the meaning, when would the meal have been eaten? Professor Jonathan Klawans, a specialist in ancient Judaism, noted: 'The new day begins with the setting of the sun, so the sacrifice is made on the 14th but the beginning of Passover and the meal are actually on the 15th, although this sequence of dates is not specified in Exodus.' He also wrote: 'Rabbinic literature . . . does not even claim to be telling us how the Seder [Passover meal] was performed before the destruction of the Temple' in 70 C.E.—Italics ours."

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  The WT's quotes from Professor Klawans, the "specialist in ancient Judaism," are used to cast doubt on the Jews' later interpretation about 'the two evenings' when the lambs were killed, i.e. the afternoon of Nisan 14 before the Passover meal at sundown Nisan 15 - 1) Exodus doesn't specify that order and 2) Rabbinic literature is silent on the matter. The JW application must be the right one, correct?

  When we check Klawans' article ...

  http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/was-jesus-last-supper-a-seder/

  ... after discussing ALL the available evidence, he actually concludes:

  "Was the Last Supper a Passover Seder? Most likely, it was not."

  There was a thread on it a few weeks ago.