You don't have to have a specific date in mind. If you see a 'hole in the fence' and your circumstances are favorable, just go and make a run for it!
AnnOMaly
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THE GRAND APOSTATE "WALKOUT" - January 1, 2015
by RagingBull inafter knowing ttatt for many years now...i had made up my mind long ago that after 2014, i would no-longer subject myself to the boredom, pain, and frustration of following this cult...the wt...the borg.. so...i made up my mind that since the wtbts/gb makes such a big deal as to the "significance" of the year 1914 and this year 2014, there can be no greater time for me to leave it all behind.
i daydreamed of how awesome and telling it would be if everyone that could ( because i do know that some have personal circumstances of their own, as i did too) would just .... walkout...never to attend/step foot in a kingdom hall from that moment on.. independence day of sorts?
there is too much evidence, too many videos, blogs, books, news reports and lawsuits for me to keep lying to myself.
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Essay by Barbara Anderson: "What's in a Name?"
by AndersonsInfo inwhats in a name?
posted on april 15, 2014 by barbara anderson http://watchtowerdocuments.org/whats-in-a-name/ .entry-meta-icons .entry-meta .
.entry-header one morning at bethel in 1989, after the usual text discussion before breakfast, there was an announcement to the staff about the legalization of jehovahs witnesses in poland.
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AnnOMaly
Hi Barbara, fascinating article. Enjoyed reading it. Very interesting about the lawsuit in Israel. 'CIC' - absolutely, LOL!
Wasn't there also the situation in Mexico many years ago, where JWs were known and registered as some sort of 'cultural society'? They had Cultural Meeting Halls instead of Kingdom Halls, 'companies' instead of 'congregations,' and never went out in Service armed with a Bible but just with the magazines.
*** Yearbook 1995 pp. 211-213, 233, Mexico ***
"However, there were obstacles because of the restrictions that the law imposed on all religions. Objections were raised to the house-to-house activity of the Witnesses, since the law stipulated that ‘every religious act of public worship must be held inside the temples.’ For the same reason, objections were raised to our conventions in public places. This was a problem, because these conventions were constantly getting larger. Owning property also presented problems, because the law required that every building used for religious purposes had to become federal property.
"For these and other reasons, the Society decided that it would be wise to reorganize, with a view to giving greater emphasis to the educational nature of our work. Therefore, on June 10, 1943, application was made to the Secretariat of Foreign Affairs to register La Torre del Vigía as a civil society, and this was approved on June 15, 1943.
"With this rearrangement, singing at our meetings was discontinued, and the meeting places became known as Halls for Cultural Studies. No audible prayers were said at meetings, though nothing could prevent a person from saying an earnest prayer silently in his heart. Every appearance of a religious service was avoided, and truly our meetings are designed for education. When Witnesses in other lands began to call their local groups “congregations,” the Witnesses in Mexico kept on using the term “companies.” House-to-house visits by the Witnesses continued, and with even more zeal; but direct use of the Bible at doors was avoided. Instead, publishers learned the texts by heart so that they could quote them. They also made good use of the book “Make Sure of All Things,” which is a compilation of Scripture quotations on many subjects. Only on return visits and on studies (which were termed “cultural” instead of “Bible”) was the Bible itself used.
"The principal work of Jehovah’s Witnesses remained the same, namely, preaching the good news of God’s Kingdom."
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"In 1989, with the approval of the Governing Body, a letter was written to all the “companies” saying that as of April 1, we would be operating in Mexico as a religious organization. Afterward, in the June issue of Nuestro Ministerio del Reino (Our Kingdom Ministry), which was changed from being called Informador (Informant) de la Torre del Vigía, further details were given. From then on, the Bible would be used from door to door, and prayers would be offered at meetings. Later, we began to sing songs at the meetings."
See also: Awake! 1974, 7/22, "New Building for Cultural Work in Mexico" p. 16.
By the way, I noticed a typo (I think):
"In October 2012 [should be 2014?] when Watchtower leaders are putting on a new face and celebrating a new image at their Annual Meeting, we will continue to announce the truth to the world ..."
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Lunar eclipse April 14th 2014
by ILoveTTATT inhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/april_2014_lunar_eclipse.
it says it's the 15th but that's in ut.
i am in utc-6 (on dst) so for me and those who have a chance to see it it will be on the 14th starting at 9:58pm and ending at 2:58 am on the 15th.. .
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AnnOMaly
Great set of pics!
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2014-03-29 BOE CONFIDENTIALS PDF Adjustment to financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide
by WatchTower87 in2014-03-29 adjustment to financing kingdom hall and assembly hall construction worldwide.
pdf version: http://adf.ly/juxnc.
instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.
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AnnOMaly
Silly questions time: Are the Italian heading and Italian CCoJWs signature originally on this English letter? IOW, this is from the Italian branch to English-speaking congregations? So this isn't just being implemented only in the U.S. but globally? Just double-checking.
And thank you!
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How long did you know TTATT while attending the meetings?
by Iamallcool ini did not know anything about ttatt while attending the meetings.. .
ttatt=the truth about the truth..
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AnnOMaly
Definitely root beer, then. LOL.
Old Goat, thank you for the extra info.
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Do you have all your WT literature? If so why?
by KateWild inmany on this board are still in and have all the literature.
do you read all your books regularly?
do you have old magazines that you have underlined and still keep?
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AnnOMaly
The reason to keep old pubs is to have the actual documentation of Botchtower BS. So when someone fresh in the Borg says "Oh they didn't say that." you can show them otherwise.
Exactly! One of the reasons I keep my stuff.
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Do you have all your WT literature? If so why?
by KateWild inmany on this board are still in and have all the literature.
do you read all your books regularly?
do you have old magazines that you have underlined and still keep?
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AnnOMaly
I keep some stuff not on the CD-ROM or accessible electronically. I keep what are considered historical or 'family heirlooms.' We've got rid of a lot of lit., though, for reasons of room. Despite my protests, one of my relatives threw out all the single copy Watchtowers and Awakes collected over many decades because they were moving. There were some collectors' items in there, copies that were of historical/doctrinal interest - all now rotting on a dump.
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607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder
by objectivetruth inhi everyone,.
i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.
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AnnOMaly
The official link ---> Gentile Times Reconsidered.
No, I do not think Dan. 11:21-45 could refer to Nazi Germany and Hitler. At least part of the section most likely applies to Antiochus IV Epiphanes (ruled 175 - 164 BCE). Dan. 11:36 onward is understood to refer to the distant future. A conservative interpretation can be found HERE.
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607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder
by objectivetruth inhi everyone,.
i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.
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AnnOMaly
What is your view on relying on the Cyrus Cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction. ...
... I'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the Cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607
You cannot rely on the Cyrus Cylinder to prove or disprove 607 BCE as the date of Jerusalem's destruction. It is undated and tells how Cyrus conquered Babylon, got rid of incompetent Nabonidus and brought peace and religious harmony to the land, etc.
You have to go to other sources to derive any dates. The Nabonidus Chronicle indicates Babylon fell in Nabonidus' year 17. Astronomical texts anchor dates for certain kings' years and other kings' years can be derived from kings' lists. Babylon fell in 539 BCE as Over%forme said.
Next you have to determine what the prophesied '70 years' relate to. Jeremiah consistently relates them to a period of Babylonian domination over the nations including Judah (Jer. 25:8-12; Jer. 29:10 - '70 years for Babylon'). The Babylonians were defeated in 539 BCE, therefore their domination of the nations ceased in that year (2 Chron. 36:20, 21; Jer. 25:12).
The first period of seventy years spanned from 606 BC until 537 BC, known as the Babylonian Captivity.
The '70 years' could be a rounded number (Nineveh fell in 612 BCE; 605 BCE was the battle of Carchemish, defeating the Egyptians, and Babylon swept down taking Palestine) or can literally fit from 609 BCE when the last king of Assyria was defeated and the last Assyrian stronghold, Harran, was razed to the ground. The Babylonians had hegemony over the nations from that point. 609 BCE to 539 BCE = 70 years for Babylon.
The second period of 70 years came 19 years later from 587 BC until 518 BC, which was known as the period of Jerusalem’s Desolation's . On the 9th of Av 587 BC, the Temple was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar.
We agree on the year of Jerusalem's destruction. The Temple wasn't finished until Adar 517 BCE (Ezra 6:15) so yes, the Temple was desolate for 70 years.
You're looking for another Bible chronology/prophetic 'Gentile times' fit with Israel's independence, aren't you? There'll be a whole lot of scriptural hopping, skipping, jumping and eisegesis to find one but good luck!
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How long did you know TTATT while attending the meetings?
by Iamallcool ini did not know anything about ttatt while attending the meetings.. .
ttatt=the truth about the truth..
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AnnOMaly
The infamous pic of Rutherford and friends drinking beer next to a barrel. It's root beer? LOL. Thanks Old Goat, but are you sure? I mean, does the type of cask *definitely* rule out an alcoholic beverage being served here?
Enjoyed reading the rest of your post too. Nearly 90 and in since the '40s. Wow - especially considering your long-standing ill health (I checked out some of your older posts). You're the kind of guy I'd like to share a (proper) beer with while you relate all your WTS/JW war stories
