How long did the war last? How long's a piece of string? Even the WTS/GB doesn't have a clear answer.
Some pointers - http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/266231/2/Satan-thrown-to-earth-about-1914#4879686
AnnOMaly
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Revelation 12:12 If a Witness was asked how long the war in heaven lasted? What would their answer be nowdays?
by thomasaquinas instill looking for jw references on this.
any help would be appreciated greatly.
especially newer ones post 1990s..
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My logic and emotions are in a turmoil. Need specific help please
by stuckinarut2 ini am still in, and as my name says "stuckinarut"...now i know it is not the truth, i know it for a fact...but im so messed up with a wash of hundreds of thoughts that i cant seem to get my head in order.. i thought i had my head clear and my 'sh1t together' so to speak....but ..... im sure you know what i mean?
when there are so many reasons and facts proving ttatt, but if asked to make a list in bullet points now, i would get so overwhelmed....i just dont know where to start.
i feel like i would be like a balloon let go flying around the room in all directions trying to 'spew' out the facts!.
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AnnOMaly
I still get the constant internal chatter but it's a lot less intense than it used to be. When you're in the thick of the JW routine, mixing in JW social circles, with JW family, you have sources of irritation on many levels (i.e. the mindset and beliefs) which set off all that mental chatter.
When it was at its worst, I found it helpful to do something enjoyable and entirely different that would put the brain on 'idle' for a while. Walks in the park, messing about with the kids, reading a novel, watching silly tv, going to a movie - anything distracting that helped temporarily shut out the cacophony and jumble in my head. It's OK not to have the answers immediately. It's OK not to know where you stand on issues. It's OK just to take a break and enjoy the simple pleasures of everyday life.
When I would start to feel shaky because I was no longer in the JW box on so many issues (being 3rd gen., there's a life-time of conditioning to overcome), I'd mentally focus on one thing only: 'Jerusalem did not fall in 607, therefore the Org's not what it claims to be, therefore it's open season on all of their teachings.' Pick your own deal-breaker issue and repeat internally as necessary when things get overwhelming.
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AnnOMaly
It's not so much about poking fun at him as an individual. I'm sure there are nice things about Lösch as well as dislikable things about Franz. We're all a mix of good and bad.
He is, however, a figure in a position of high authority over several million people and, along with his close colleagues, is responsible for manipulating* and being, shall we say, less than honest with them on certain matters. As with any figures of authority (governmental, corporate, religious) who are party to hypocrisy and promoting untruths, he is fair game for parodying.
Nevertheless, if it was somebody I knew and liked personally who was being lampooned, I would probably be defensive too.
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* E.g. likening going on to Higher Education to putting a loaded gun to your head and pulling the trigger - the person might survive the gunshot and the person might survive College but neither course of action can be recommended.
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Science proves there is a God
by seekchristonly infusion with god natural .
in the cosmos universe or whatever.
all things are made of the same materials etc so humans will always be fused with the universe in life and death because those building blocks are eternal.
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Science proves there is a God
by seekchristonly infusion with god natural .
in the cosmos universe or whatever.
all things are made of the same materials etc so humans will always be fused with the universe in life and death because those building blocks are eternal.
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Science proves there is a God
by seekchristonly infusion with god natural .
in the cosmos universe or whatever.
all things are made of the same materials etc so humans will always be fused with the universe in life and death because those building blocks are eternal.
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Science proves there is a God
by seekchristonly infusion with god natural .
in the cosmos universe or whatever.
all things are made of the same materials etc so humans will always be fused with the universe in life and death because those building blocks are eternal.
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AnnOMaly
I don't get it. How can God, a non-physical, immaterial, spirit being (according to the Bible) and outside the scope of 'science' (defined as ' the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment'), be proven scientifically? You might as well be claiming science can prove how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. It's a non-starter.
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This week's WT study...made me so sick.....
by stuckinarut2 inthis week's study april 15th 2014 was called "do you see the one who is invisible?".
it was perhaps one of the most depressing, controlling, fear-mongering, stress inducing, doctrinally incorrect, hate-inspiring, judgemental, cult-like, irrational, hyped-up, critical, crazy, stretched out, fanciful, illogical, burdensome, inflated, coersive, manipulative, and brain-snappingly weird stuff i have read for some time.... (but i'm sure it was just a rehash and repeat of previous stuff...for the new masses....).
i had to keep up a sane appearance while in the hall, and even answer some garbage while this was being 'studied'... my cognitive disonance must be so strong now, because i found this one of the hardest ones to endure....now that i am home, i have poured a stiff drink and am trying to clear my head...... one paragraph was classic:.
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AnnOMaly
when I gave answers that were not straight from the paragraph months ago in a study, I got told off for "soapboxing my own thoughts". All I said though was the same stuff from the paragraph but in a different way!
Tsk, tsk to the person who told you off. They are not in line with theocratic direction.
*** jl lesson 9 How Can We Best Prepare for the Meetings? ***
When you can answer the question, underline or highlight a few key words or phrases in the paragraph that will bring the answer back to your mind. Then, at the meeting, you can raise your hand if you wish and make a brief comment in your own words.
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*** w03 9/1 p. 21 Praise Jehovah “in the Middle of the Congregation” ***
Learn to answer in your own words. Reading a comment from the study material may indicate that you have found the right answer, and it may be a good way to get started commenting. But progressing to answer in your own words shows that you understand the point. Our publications need not be quoted verbatim. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not simply repeat what their publications say.
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*** be p. 70 par. 2 Know How You Ought to Answer ***
Learn to comment in your own words rather than reading directly from the paragraph. Do not become disturbed if a comment you make does not come out exactly right. That happens occasionally to everyone who comments.
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Help please!!!
by braincleaned inmy mom just hung up on me, convinced that the borg has never said that jesus was not the mediator between the sheep and him!.
i know they have presumptuously took the place of jesus as mediators can someone pleeeeeeze give me the wt references of this?.
she does not believe me..
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AnnOMaly
See also http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008922#p15
... God can then take them into the new covenant with the prospect of their becoming heavenly king-priests! As their Mediator, Jesus assists them in maintaining a clean standing before God.—Heb. 2:16.
14 What about those who are not in the new covenant, those who hope to live forever on earth, not in heaven? While not participants in the new covenant, these are beneficiaries of it. They receive forgiveness of their sins and are declared righteous as God’s friends. (Jas. 2:23; 1 John 2:1, 2) Whether we have a heavenly hope or an earthly hope, each one of us has good reason to appreciate Jesus’ role as the Mediator of the new covenant.
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Help please!!!
by braincleaned inmy mom just hung up on me, convinced that the borg has never said that jesus was not the mediator between the sheep and him!.
i know they have presumptuously took the place of jesus as mediators can someone pleeeeeeze give me the wt references of this?.
she does not believe me..
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*** w79 4/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
● Is Jesus the “mediator” only for anointed Christians?... At a time when God was selecting those to be taken into that new covenant, the apostle Paul wrote that Christ was the “one mediator between God and men.” (1 Tim. 2:5) Reasonably Paul was here using the word “mediator” in the same way he did the other five times, which occurred before the writing of 1 Timothy 2:5, referring to those then being taken into the new covenant for which Christ is “mediator.” So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the “mediator” only for anointed Christians.
This view was reaffirmed 10 years later:
*** w89 8/15 p. 30-1 Questions From Readers ***
□ Is Jesus the Mediator only for spirit-anointed Christians or for all mankind, since 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 speaks of him as the “mediator” who “gave himself a corresponding ransom for all”?
... The people of all nations who have the hope of everlasting life on earth benefiteven now from Jesus’ services. Though he is not their legal Mediator, for they are not in the new covenant, he is their means of approaching Jehovah. Christ said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) All who will gain life on earth must direct their prayers to Jehovah through Jesus. (John 14:13, 23, 24) Jesus also serves as a compassionate High Priest who is able to apply in their behalf the benefits of his sacrifice, allowing them to gain forgiveness and eventual salvation.—Acts 4:12; Hebrews 4:15.
Consequently, 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 is not using “mediator” in the broad sense common in many languages. It is not saying that Jesus is a mediator between God and all mankind. Rather, it refers to Christ as legal Mediator (or, “attorney”) of the new covenant, this being the restricted way in which the Bible uses the term.