Posts by AnnOMaly

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Can your pervert the meaning of scripture even more...

by never a jw in

for a while i have shaken my head after learning how jw's interpret (rather corrupt the meaning of) matthew 8:11. i thought it couldn't get any worse.

i was wrong.

the following is an extract of the march 2015 watchtower in pg 27. the writer is explaining the meaning of mathew 25:31-46. enjoy!.

AnnOMaly

Another one to shake your head at, never a jw, from p. 14, par. 9:

'The second quality that helps those
virgins to be ready is vigilance. Would
it be possible for individual anointed
Christians to get sleepy during a long
nighttime vigil? Indeed. Note that Jesus
says of the ten virgins that “they all became
drowsy and fell asleep” during
the apparent delay of the bridegroom.
Jesus knew well that even a willing,
eager spirit may be hampered by the
weakness of the flesh. Faithful anointed
ones have heeded that implied warning
and have worked ever harder to remain
vigilant, watchful. In the parable, all
the virgins responded to the nighttime
shout: “Here is the bridegroom!” But
only the vigilant ones endured to the
end. (Matt. 25:5, 6; 26:41) What about
faithful anointed ones today? Throughout
the last days, they have responded to
strong evidence that, in effect, cries out,
“Here is the bridegroom”—just about to
come. They have also endured, keeping
ever ready for the Bridegroom to arrive.'

Apart from the fact that, for about 80 years until 2012, both 'anointed' and 'other sheep' JWs were taught the Bridegroom had already arrived back in 1918, so "faithful anointed ones" couldn't have "kept ever ready for the Bridegroom to arrive," the Watchtower article bizarrely interprets Jesus' detail about all ten virgins falling asleep to mean that the five faithful ones actually "worked ever harder to remain vigilant, watchful" (therefore, they didn't fall asleep as Jesus said they did).

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The official requirement for salvation in the latest WT, nothing to do with Jesus......

by EndofMysteries in

"those with the earthly hope who supported christs brothers in the preaching work will have been judged as sheep and will be granted the privilege of living in the earthly realm of the kingdom.

" 3/2015 study wt learn from illustration of talents par 13.. so there you have it, to get salvation you need to only obey the gb and if you obey and worship the gb, then you will be judged as a sheep.

truly those who listen and obey, will be blessed!.

AnnOMaly

So there you have it, to get salvation you need to only obey the GB and if you obey and worship the GB, then you will be judged as a sheep. Truly those who Listen and Obey, will be blessed!

It was ever thus.

*** w82 4/1 pp. 30-31 par. 18 Survival or Destruction at the “Great Tribulation” ***
"Any who hope to be considered by God’s Judge as 'sheep' to be spared must prove themselves to be 'righteous ones,' actively aiding Christ’s anointed 'brothers,' who form the 'faithful and discreet slave' class. (Matthew 25:33, 40, 46; 24:45-47)"

*** w97 9/15 p. 20 par. 19 Who Will Survive “the Day of Jehovah”? ***
"Do your words and deeds identify you as a faithful and zealous servant of God? If so, you can entertain the hope of surviving 'the day of Jehovah' into God’s promised new world. Yes, survival may be your experience if you do good to Christ’s spiritual brothers because they are his followers ..."

*** w12 3/15 p. 20 par. 2 Rejoicing in Our Hope ***
"The other sheep should never forget that their salvation depends on their active support of Christ’s anointed 'brothers' still on earth. (Matt. 25:34-40)"

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Teaching Anthony Morris III names of common things.

by LogCon in

"...what it is is this spanx, this skin-tight stuff they wear.

now, are you sisters wearing this in the ministry?

i can't say that i've ever seen that.

AnnOMaly

AMIII is one of the "thinkingest people on the planet," so he's entitled to re-name Spandex as Spanx.

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Graduation and Pinning

by sooner7nc in

jw
friends

giving my speech.

being pinned by my son.. .

the best day ever.. .

AnnOMaly

Congratulations!

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Expanse before the flood... will He put it back?

by BetterGuyNow in

i've never wondered about this before, but i've been on this kick about the supposed infallibility of god.. let's consider for a moment that the flood was real.

god had created the expanse of water in the heavens that shielded the earth from the sun.

this is what he considered to be the the right way to build the earth.

AnnOMaly

The Philae lander on the Comet has established that Earth's water did not come from outer space via comets.

It hasn't 'established' it. It may have cast further doubt on the hypothesis that Kuiper Belt comets brought water, but that doesn't definitely rule it out (e.g. what about the earth-like water on Hartley 2?) until more data are analyzed. Scientists are also exploring the possibility that the water came from nearer asteroids.

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Expanse before the flood... will He put it back?

by BetterGuyNow in

i've never wondered about this before, but i've been on this kick about the supposed infallibility of god.. let's consider for a moment that the flood was real.

god had created the expanse of water in the heavens that shielded the earth from the sun.

this is what he considered to be the the right way to build the earth.

AnnOMaly

*** w63 12/15 p. 767-8 Questions From Readers ***

Are we to understand from Genesis 8:22 that seasons as we know them today, with their extreme conditions, will exist in the new world?—E. E., United States.

... What Jehovah meant at Genesis 8:22 was that the condition of equable climate that prevailed over all the earth before the Flood would no longer exist. Why? Because the great water canopy responsible for such a condition had fallen, resulting in the seasons described at Genesis 8:22. However, as God produced sudden revolutionary changes in earth’s living conditions by the deluge of Noah’s day, with extremes now of heat and cold, so at Armageddon and with the inauguration of his Messianic kingdom he can produce rapid changes that will ameliorate any hard conditions of winter or disagreeable features of other seasons.

Will this be accomplished by a restoration of the water canopy? Will the Creator again suspend it in space so as to produce a hothouse condition on this earth in order that a uniform temperature may again prevail around the globe? The Bible does not say so, whereas the formation of the antediluvian water canopy was part of God’s creative work on one of his workdays before he began his seventh day by ceasing from such creative works for the earth. His rest day has yet a thousand or more years to go. It is sufficient to say that Jehovah God, who already knows what he will do, will handle matters perfectly.He will bring about the most desirable and enjoyable conditions through his King Jesus Christ. This change, which will do away with unpleasant seasonal conditions, will harmonize with God’s restoration of paradise and his removal of death, pain, sorrow, sickness and crying.—Rev. 21:4; Deut. 32:4.

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Expanse before the flood... will He put it back?

by BetterGuyNow in

i've never wondered about this before, but i've been on this kick about the supposed infallibility of god.. let's consider for a moment that the flood was real.

god had created the expanse of water in the heavens that shielded the earth from the sun.

this is what he considered to be the the right way to build the earth.

AnnOMaly

God had created the expanse of water in the heavens that shielded the earth from the sun. This is what He considered to be the the right way to build the earth. Then comes flood, and now you can see the sky and the water vapor canopy is gone. So would it be expected that after Armageddon, God would put it back to the way it was, the "right" way, or is mankind expected to live forever on an earth that was altered from its original, perfect design because of the badness of every living thing?

A more fundamental problem with the heavenly water expanse involves these factors:

A vapor canopy with more than twelve inches of precipitable water would raise the temperature of the earth above boiling (Morton 1979). A vapor canopy of only four inches of water would raise the temperature of the earth to 144 degrees F. It is worth noting that several prominent creationists agree with this conclusion, yet their close colleagues continue to teach that there was a vapor canopy (Morton 2000).
A vapor canopy capable of producing the global flood would have increased earth's atmospheric pressure from 15 PSI to 970 PSI.
Some creationists try to solve the vapor canopy problems by moving the canopy out of the earth's atmosphere and into orbit. A canopy of orbiting ice would have been unstable (it could only exist in a ring much like Saturn's). It would have cooled the climate (probably just slightly) until it somehow collapsed to cause the flood. Then the release of its gravitational potential energy would have converted all the ice into superheated steam, not into a flood. - http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH310.html

Also see http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/canopy.html

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I have a TASK for you to perform. Come on--it will be FUN!

by Terry in

jw
friends

look up in the right-hand corner of this page.. find where it says welcome (name).. did you locate that?.

now click on your name and observe the new page loading takes you to a top blue bar with a menu.. it should read:.

active topics search members topics started .

AnnOMaly

Far better sorting system, Simon! Very useful.

Btw, I've sent you a PM.

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

AnnOMaly

What did they use before that? I know it wasn't Russell who came up with it - he just adopted it. I'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.

1874 was partly based on antitype parallels with Jesus' earthly life.

Rough outline:

From 1844 to 1874 the Bridegroom delayed - mirroring Jesus' first thirty years of life on earth;

1874, the Bridegroom's heavenly presence paralleled his presence on earth as the chosen, newly baptized Messiah;

1878 was 3 and a half years after that when he was installed as King in heaven - mirroring the time when he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and hailed as king by the people.

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Here we go again. The next hate letter from our 2nd Son.

by Still Totally ADD in

jw
friends

yes it happen again with our youngest son.

this last monday we got a letter from him telling us how unloving we are because we are no longer jw.

cult and not had kids.

AnnOMaly

I'm with those who take the least confrontational approach. By all means put him right where he's unfairly twisted things round by blaming you for his own actions, but don't attack Watchtower. Absorb his own assault on you and acknowledge his hurt. Remember Rom. 12:17-21 - the one about conquering evil by 'heaping fiery coals' upon your opponent's head? Appeal to the human, not the angry cult persona.

Suggested outline for a response, if it's not too late:

It was lovely to hear from him but you and your wife found some of his comments hurtful and unfair. You understand why he feels angry with you but he has no idea of the pain of what you and your wife have been through in coming to the uncomfortable conclusions you have about the Organization (do not elucidate!) or the anguish in making the decision to leave it. Those conclusions and decisions were not arrived at lightly, nor were they intended to cause him grief. They were for reasons of conscience and personal integrity (I can't remember if you still believe the Bible or not, but if you do, add something to the effect that you have to stay loyal to God and the Scriptures.) If ever he wants to know your reasons, you'll be happy to discuss them, but if not, that's fine also. It's important to have mutual respect of each other's choices. At this point, remind him of the Awake! quote about how people shouldn't be forced to choose between beliefs and family.

Reassure him of your love for him, his brother and the grandchildren. You miss the grandkids terribly and would love to visit with them, write them, Skype, send gifts, etc., however, out of respect for his and his brother's express wishes on [such-an-occasion] (remind him of what he said and when), you have not done so, as distressing as it is for you and your wife.

Then ask how the grandkids are. How are they doing at school? Have they been or done anything exciting recently? Say you've enclosed checks for each of the grandkids so they can buy themselves a treat. Ask that he conveys your love, hugs and kisses to the kids. You hope to hear from him again soon, lots of love, etc.