Posts by stuckinarut2

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How about prayers being used as a talk?

by NikL in

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another thread on here made me think of it.. its a personal peeve of mine.. you bow your head in prayer and the brother says thinks like thank you for the lessons we learned today like bla bla bla and for that wonderful point about yadda yadda yadda.

jehovah we know that etc etc etc therefore we must...well you get the gist.and on and on it goes.

absolutely drives me mad..

stuckinarut2

Great comment ttdtt!

Yes, I always cringed when it seemed like the brother giving the prayer was actually TEACHING Jehovah something while he went on and on! Or making sure that Jehovah had not forgotten or missed the content of the meeting because he was asleep...

Or when the brother giving the prayer just summarized or reviewed the entire content of the meeting again!

I would think "OK, yes, we have just heard all of that...why repeat it all...?"

That would be like going to dinner and thanking your host on the way out like this: "Thanks for the invitation to join you for dinner on this, Saturday 10th. We started with some small talk, then you offered us drinks, after which we talked some more then you offered us some snacks before we moved to the other room and sat at a large table made out of oak wood. then you asked if we wanted some peas and steak which were cooked nicely in a sauce.....on and on to desert and farwells"

You get the idea

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"But I was just following order and directions!" The 'outsourcing' of personal responsibility

by stuckinarut2 in

a thought struck me that throughout history people have often claimed that "i was simply following orders and directions" when it comes to their actions or beliefs.. instead of using logical thinking skills to determine if the course of action is correct, they just assume that it is based on a superior telling them so.. think of someone handling finances for a corrupt boss.

if asked to hide sums of money illegally, can they just say to the authorities "i was just following directions"?.

or as we know, war crimes have occurred in history and the same excuses have been used.. similarly, it seems that witnesses "outsource" their thinking abilities to the society and gb and think and act exactly as directed...even if such changes dramatically as have many, many teachings and beliefs.. think of all the far out and strange things in the society's history.

stuckinarut2

Good comments!

Yes, Sparrowdown, although they will say "no one is making me...etc", the reality becomes apparent if a witness chooses to grow a beard, or watch a movie, or wear some clothing that doesn't fit with the "official approved" style.

Then we see that there is no room for personal choice.

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Taking the Step

by beardfreedom in

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first time posting after years of reading, the things i have learned here have gradually helped to open my eyes to the reality of this religion.

though i have been mentally out for some time, lately i have stopped going to meetings and service.

the elders are calling and i have been ignoring them, i am trying to get up the courage to finally break free and never go back.

stuckinarut2

Welcome!

Yes, once we take the step to allow ourselves to be free of the FOG (Fear Obligation Guilt) that the society uses, the air is indeed much cleaner...and the real life begins!

Enjoy these moments of clarity!

We look forward to your input here in this great community forum!

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How many times jehovah is said in a prayer

by Normalfulla in

so there was this particular elder in my hall who when giving a prayer would say "jehovah" waaaay to much it was ridiculous, we ended up having a count every time he gave prayer, most of the time it was 15-18 but once he topped 20, if u say it out loud 20 times you'll see how weird it is, like when do you ever in a conversation say someone's name that many times in 2 or so minutes,!

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stuckinarut2

BINGO Blondie!!

Great comment!

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"But I was just following order and directions!" The 'outsourcing' of personal responsibility

by stuckinarut2 in

a thought struck me that throughout history people have often claimed that "i was simply following orders and directions" when it comes to their actions or beliefs.. instead of using logical thinking skills to determine if the course of action is correct, they just assume that it is based on a superior telling them so.. think of someone handling finances for a corrupt boss.

if asked to hide sums of money illegally, can they just say to the authorities "i was just following directions"?.

or as we know, war crimes have occurred in history and the same excuses have been used.. similarly, it seems that witnesses "outsource" their thinking abilities to the society and gb and think and act exactly as directed...even if such changes dramatically as have many, many teachings and beliefs.. think of all the far out and strange things in the society's history.

stuckinarut2

A thought struck me that throughout history people have often claimed that "I was simply following orders and directions" when it comes to their actions or beliefs.

Instead of using logical thinking skills to determine if the course of action is correct, they just assume that it is based on a superior telling them so.

Think of someone handling finances for a corrupt boss. If asked to hide sums of money illegally, can they just say to the authorities "I was just following directions"?

Or as we know, war crimes have occurred in history and the same excuses have been used.

Similarly, it seems that Witnesses "outsource" their thinking abilities to the Society and GB and think and act exactly as directed...EVEN if such CHANGES dramatically as have many, many teachings and beliefs.

Think of all the far out and strange things in the society's history. We know that if any witness disagreed with the "truth" they would be punished for it. Yet, if just a short time later the society changed its teaching, every witness must change too!

So where does personal responsibility to make an informed and educated decision arise??

Can witnesses just say "I was following directions"?

What would the creator really think of blind obedience based on "outsourcing" ones choices?

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How many times jehovah is said in a prayer

by Normalfulla in

so there was this particular elder in my hall who when giving a prayer would say "jehovah" waaaay to much it was ridiculous, we ended up having a count every time he gave prayer, most of the time it was 15-18 but once he topped 20, if u say it out loud 20 times you'll see how weird it is, like when do you ever in a conversation say someone's name that many times in 2 or so minutes,!

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stuckinarut2

It's used more as punctuation by many!

I used to also cringe at the prayers that sounded like the brother was using the prayer to review the entire meeting, and teach Jehovah something while talking to him!

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Beards

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i have a beard.

i spend a month on vacation with no worry from the congregation overseas of course.

i grew a full beard now and with glasses i finally have posted my picture on facebook og me... next to half life 2 cover showing i look like gordan freeman lol.

stuckinarut2

Apparently the Almighty Creator Jehovah made an error when he made males to naturally grow a beard.

The Governing Body know better than Jehovah, and will counsel him over his obvious mistake in creation!

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Something funny about Armageddon

by evilApostate in

years ago, when i was still a publisher, i had a very interesting conversation with a lady in the field service.

we were talking about punishment for sin and so on.

she believed in hellfire.

stuckinarut2

Yes, if death means that sins are forgiven and a resurrection is assured, then EVERY witness should be HAPPY to see all people die....right?

Why be upset when a tragedy occcurs that takes lives? Simply be happy that those killed people "are guaranteed a resurrection "

(Insert sarcasm alert here)

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Mark the Date: March,20 2017 Austrailian Royal Commission to Reopen Its JW Child Abuse Inquiry

by Room 215 in

i don't know whether anyone else has posted a thread on this development:.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

stuckinarut2

Will this be broadcast live via the web as before?

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Mark the Date: March,20 2017 Austrailian Royal Commission to Reopen Its JW Child Abuse Inquiry

by Room 215 in

i don't know whether anyone else has posted a thread on this development:.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

stuckinarut2

Fantastic!

Wait and see how the society spins this as "more falsehoods and persecution"