Posts by stuckinarut2

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Study with an Elder - propose a question.

by CitizenofEarth in

hello there.. as some of you might remember i am keeping my facade up by "studying" with an elder.

this study however is more of a session where i put hard questions about the org, doctrine and so on, on the table.

the time has come for the next session in a couple of days, and i have quite frankly lost the will to keep digging up things that just shouldn't be happening.

stuckinarut2

"Brother----, as we know, 'God's people should be neutral in all political issues right? So may I respectfully ask, how did you reconcile the fact that the society were members of the United Nations (the scarlett coloured beast in revelation), and agreed to all their charters, goals, aims and mission statements?"

"and, how did you feel when you found out that kingdom halls in many south American countries fly the national flag in order to avoid a small monetary fine, while in the past witnesses were persecuted and died for much less?"

"I am finding it hard to reconcile such issues, so brother-----, HOW do you do so?"

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Got gas pump witnessed this morning.

by Darkknight757 in

so on our way to hospital today i see a car load of jehovah's pull up to a pump a row over.

i thought to myself, "not now!!

" we were running late to nicu and of course these dummy's take this moment to drive up to give us some good news.

stuckinarut2

Simply ask "When you learned of the fact that the society were signed members of the United Nations, how did you come to terms with it?"

Or any one of the hot topics.

Perhaps if they are a parent:

"So when you learned about the scores of child sexual abuse cases that were mishandled, and the millions of dollars being paid out by the society, how did you reconcile this in your mind?"

By doing that, you are already establishing your statement as a FACT, and the only topic is how they handled it. (The reality is, many will not know of those topics, so it will cause mental gymnastics to occur in their minds that they may then go and research later)

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"A little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough". A way to make witnesses think!?

by stuckinarut2 in

how can we briefly make a calm, dignified point to witnesses we care about such as family or friends?

how can we make them think?.

here are a couple of well known scriptures: (from the revised new world translation.

stuckinarut2

Perry, with respect, not only does the Watchtower have a "gaping hole in their theology that you can drive a London city bus through it", but so too does the bible itself.

The bible is full of gaping holes. The concept that it is "God's word" is flawed.

However, for the purposes of opening a JWs mind, those scriptures in my opening post may help establish a groundwork for a discussion to take place that can lead to them seeing that the GB are not spokesmen for an Almighty God...

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Episode 5 of This JW Life is live - Enter the FOG - The Culture of Jehovah's Witnesses

by dubstepped in

episode 5 of the podcast is now up.

i will take you into the fog, tell you what it means, and explain it in the context of the jw culture.

i also use another known cult model and show how it applies, along with some of my own stories thrown in.. http://thisjwlife.com/episode-5-enter-the-fog-the-culture-of-jehovahs-witnesses/.

stuckinarut2

Looking forward to it dubstepped!

Thanks for sharing

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WT Library being edited

by berrygerry in

i thought that wt would have started doing this, but i have not noticed any posts before.. can anyone confirm (post is from fb)?.

so i have been looking up these different articles to read for myself...one problem.the last time we got a disc was 2015 and i used my mil's disc to down load it to my computer.

they did a update to it last year over the internet, the program updated it's self.

stuckinarut2

Yes crazyguy! That was one of my WTF moments!

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How do I delete my posts?

by The Doc 58 in

it's been 9 years and it would be nice to get them off the internet.

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stuckinarut2

checking your history now

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"A little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough". A way to make witnesses think!?

by stuckinarut2 in

how can we briefly make a calm, dignified point to witnesses we care about such as family or friends?

how can we make them think?.

here are a couple of well known scriptures: (from the revised new world translation.

stuckinarut2

True LHG. True.

I guess this method is something I want to try not just to attempt to reason with a witness, but also to show them that "we" (ie all of us that have seen the 'truth' and left), have not done so over some personal slight, but due to valid "scriptural" reasons.

Now I don't personally subscribe to the bible or any belief structure nowadays, but using the bible is a way of establishing a foundation for discussion and disarming those still in.

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WT Library being edited

by berrygerry in

i thought that wt would have started doing this, but i have not noticed any posts before.. can anyone confirm (post is from fb)?.

so i have been looking up these different articles to read for myself...one problem.the last time we got a disc was 2015 and i used my mil's disc to down load it to my computer.

they did a update to it last year over the internet, the program updated it's self.

stuckinarut2

And not just the past!

With the latest updates for the JWapp, there were what looked like a dozen "updates" for current books!

Sure some might be software updates, but many will be for content update too!

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"A little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough". A way to make witnesses think!?

by stuckinarut2 in

how can we briefly make a calm, dignified point to witnesses we care about such as family or friends?

how can we make them think?.

here are a couple of well known scriptures: (from the revised new world translation.

stuckinarut2

Yes, I remember that well used illustration about "just one drop of poison in the glass"

We all used that to denounce false religions.

So , it is similar for witnesses. If the society is guilty of JUST ONE falsehood or scandal, no matter how "small" the issue is, then surely they are NOT God's channel on earth!

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"A little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough". A way to make witnesses think!?

by stuckinarut2 in

how can we briefly make a calm, dignified point to witnesses we care about such as family or friends?

how can we make them think?.

here are a couple of well known scriptures: (from the revised new world translation.

stuckinarut2

How can we briefly make a calm, dignified point to witnesses we care about such as family or friends? How can we make them think?

Here are a couple of well known scriptures: (from the revised new world translation. Silver edition)

Galations 5:9 "A little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough"

Luke 16:10 "The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in what is much"

So surely if these scriptures are to be used as a basis for reasoning, then the Society / GB / Organisation has much to answer for?

If talking with a still-in witness, think of the best suited topic that affects or touches their heart and then say "so if the society has failed in this one matter, they fail in all matters?"

Think of hot topics such as the mishandling of child abuse, the failure to remain neutral in political matters with the UN / Mexico etc, or the rewriting of history. Or any number of topics that we know will make an impact on them.

If they try and duck and weave, or explain things, simply ask them "if a faithful witness was secretly committing sins, would it be ok if he was also a regular pioneer, or would his very standing be called into question?"