Posts by stuckinarut2

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If You Question The Governing Body, You're Like Korah

by pale.emperor in

anyone who questions the governing bodys authority is labelled as an apostate and almost always they bring up the story of korah and his revolt against moses.. watchtower august 1st, 2002, the article loyally submit to godly authority paragraphs 8-15.. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002563.

in not so subtle hint, the gb likens themselves to moses, and those who disagree with the gb are korah.. paragraph 15 is actually quite damaging to the gb's argument though:.

it was so unnecessary for all those people to lose their lives.

stuckinarut2

Chook, WHAT?? Really? wow. That is messed up!

When was this?

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So today this happened...

by Phoebe in

jw
friends

you all pretty much know my story so i won't repeat it but.... to say i'm being hounded by my local congregation is an understatement.

today the cobe finally found us in.

well, i refused to answer the door but my husband did.

stuckinarut2

Sorry to hear that you are feeling stressed over this situation.

Keep your Dignity, Poise and Grace! Remember that only YOU have the right to control how you feel. Do not allow them to upset you.

I used this line with the COBE who was trying to harass us:

"Thanks for your interest ___, but I am sure that you will respect our privacy and appropriate boundaries. If this sort of behaviour took place in a work setting, it would be classed as "harassment", and I would be forced to avail myself of the legal means at my disposal. Have a great day, and all the best to your family"

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If You Question The Governing Body, You're Like Korah

by pale.emperor in

anyone who questions the governing bodys authority is labelled as an apostate and almost always they bring up the story of korah and his revolt against moses.. watchtower august 1st, 2002, the article loyally submit to godly authority paragraphs 8-15.. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002563.

in not so subtle hint, the gb likens themselves to moses, and those who disagree with the gb are korah.. paragraph 15 is actually quite damaging to the gb's argument though:.

it was so unnecessary for all those people to lose their lives.

stuckinarut2

Great thread, and great replies!!

Just like Moses, who (if you believe the story in the bible) took credit for bringing forth water from the rocky crag, so too, the GB take credit for things that are not theirs....

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Folly of claiming “only we have the truth”

by venus in

one’s mindset and its conditioning pursue what one believes to be the “truth” which it says ‘i can perceive with my senses.

this makes possible for the life to be perceived in many different ways.

imagine all were born blind.

stuckinarut2

I think you are spot on @wake

It was a cleverly deceptive reply Jackson gave.

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An honest question for those who were "born-in"

by stuckinarut2 in

just wanted to ask a question of those who were born in as i was.. how did you feel to have been "privileged to have been born into the only true faith - the truth"?.

did this make you feel confident, or proud - or perhaps arrogant?.

how did you reconcile the fact that 99% of the earth's population was not born "into the truth"?.

stuckinarut2

Wow, such heartfelt responses everyone!

Thanks for your sincere comments.

It seems we all faced similar feelings in some ways.

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Oh The Irony

by FedUpJW in

so i sat and suffered through the clam tonight.. everything was pretty much as dull, repetitious, and simple-minded as i have come to expect, but i was really struck by the mind-numbing idiotic comments made during the part about shunning family.. then came the book study (no real bible use) loaded with self-congratulatory b.s about how wt never has, and never will beg, solicit, or ask for money.

i could feel myself beginning to channel the old tasmanian devil cartoon character as i listened to that garbage while remembering the jdubya tv shows about how more money was going out than coming in and give more.

but finally came the most ironic (to me) part of the entire meeting and i could not help bursting out in a loud belly laugh that got me many dirty looks and heavy frowns.

stuckinarut2

OH MY WORD!

Has the Society gone insane??

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An honest question for those who were "born-in"

by stuckinarut2 in

just wanted to ask a question of those who were born in as i was.. how did you feel to have been "privileged to have been born into the only true faith - the truth"?.

did this make you feel confident, or proud - or perhaps arrogant?.

how did you reconcile the fact that 99% of the earth's population was not born "into the truth"?.

stuckinarut2

Just wanted to ask a question of those who were born in as I was.

How did you feel to have been "privileged to have been born into the only true faith - The Truth"?

Did this make you feel confident, or proud - or perhaps arrogant?

How did you reconcile the fact that 99% of the earth's population was not born "into the Truth"?

As a child, did you ever question these things?

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Be loyal when a relative is disfellowshipped

by UnshackleTheChains in

well.....they showed that shunning video again.

you know...the one where goldilocks gets disfellowshipped- and the parents look across the hall at her with disdain.....yeah that video.. i was interested to see what kind of answers would be given during the discussion after the video and some of the reactions.

everyone sat there gormlessly staring at the video.

stuckinarut2

Yes floridaborn!

Well said!

That line that "Sonia" uses : "I knew that if they just gave me that one bit of association - it might satisfy me" (or something like that) is pure and utter emotional blackmail. Manipulation in its finest!

WHY would anyone CHOOSE to go back to the very one's that have used abusive behaviour???

Why would a battered wife go back to the man that beats her? "Oh he still loves me"

It is NO different to the JW situation. They treat people in an abusive manner, then compound the situation by maligning their character and reputation amongst the rest of the congregation, THEN think that witnesses would WANT to go back??

Huh??

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Saying hello for first time

by pimojw in

i have been sneakily looking at this forum, almost every day, ever since it began!

it has taken me till now to actually register and contribute.

(actually i did register with a different name in the beginning but never commented).. i am a pimo elder with a fairly long history of senior "positions" in the organization.

stuckinarut2

Welcome friend!

This is a great community, made up of a great variety of people who have travelled the road with you. We understand what it is like to have the very foundation and stability of one's life called into question - simply by facts and reason and logic.

Enjoy this new chapter of life! One that frees you up to genuinely use analytical and critical thinking skills.

The most important thing is to let go of the FOG (Fear Obligation Guilt) that riddles us as born-in witnesses, and stifles any growth.

Once that is let go of, we can truly grow!

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Do A Majority of Those That Bother With Doctrine Reject the Current Teachings?

by OnTheWayOut in

on another thread, shadow asked pimojw, a newbie still serving in a congregation, "how about the overlapping generation?

do you know anyone who actually believes that?

"answer was "no i dont!

stuckinarut2

Good comments above.

I agree. Having tried to have conversations with my father, an elder for decades, and now 70.

He is a smart man in all other aspects of life, but as I shared some points of TTATT, he simply shut it down with "I am NOT going to have someone shake my faith. Your apostasy has gone too far!"

So, logic, facts, reason and proof have NOTHING to do with the mindset of the average witness.