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Is there anything that you preached door to door that you didn't believe in

by JH in

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on another thread, elsewhere said that he didn?t like going door to door, especially since he didn?t believe in what he preached.

i was a little surprised by his statement because i, on the other hand, did believe in what i preached.

i don?t think i would have been able to preach something i didn?t believe in.

luna

Try everything.

This is why i tried to avoid service. Hard to talk up something you think is crap.

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JW Friends

by Sassy in

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if you are no longer associating with jws either from fading or daing or being df'd, do you miss your jw friends?

have you found over time that the void was filled and you no longer needed them?

did you in fact find out your life was happier without them?

luna

All my JW friends that I would've missed, are no longer JW's. So, it worked out fine for me.

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found this interesting...

by luna in

x - close recent stories by john christoffersen associated press.

stabbing of jehovah's witness poses legal quandary

by john christoffersen, associated press.

A question for all women that were raised in the "truth"

by codeblue in

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do you feel like you have low self esteem because of being raised as a jw?.

codeblue

luna

Exactly.

I'd have made a HORRIBLE dubby wife. I don't do well w/ men trying to make me feel inferior, "do what we tell you because i'm your husband".

Uh..NO.

I'm WAY too independant and stubborn, and would probably either killed or beat the $&*% out of some bethelite that tried to do that to me. (just joking, of course, but you get my drift.)

Worldly boys are MUCH more understanding of this trait.

haha.

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A question for all women that were raised in the "truth"

by codeblue in

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do you feel like you have low self esteem because of being raised as a jw?.

codeblue

luna

Meg-

That makes sense. Alas, I was never the perfect witness. I knew the kids at school were more fun. :)

I gave up trying to fit in, in the congregation. It was never going to work. I didn't dress like a good dubby, and I didn't go out in service enough. Being a good witness in school wouldn't have helped me any. Besides, there were no other witness kids in school to monitor my activities. :)

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YOU ATHIEST GOD HATERS WONT NOT GET NO BLESINGS AT ARMAGEDON MARK MY WERDS

by Aztec in

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what's more important: the message or the messanger?.

~az

luna

The messanger.

I tend to not read things that have bad spelling, etc. HA! I guess that's just my snobby, english, nerdiness coming out. Oh well.

But, then the message itself is rather stupid. So, I guess both. :)

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A question for all women that were raised in the "truth"

by codeblue in

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do you feel like you have low self esteem because of being raised as a jw?.

codeblue

luna

Meg-

Not necessarily. I always fit in, in school. I was the only witness in my high school, but I never got treated like an outcast. More like, everyone thought my parents were Nazi's. But, I never lacked in any "worldly" friends, and was always popular enough to enjoy going to school.

On the OTHER hand, I never fit it in the congregation. I was too freespirited, and never dubby enough for anyone, or rather, anyone's PARENTS to accept me.

If I have any self esteem issues, which I do at times, I think a lot of it has to do w/ how I was treated in the congration, not in the real world.

Since I've been out, my self esteem has shot up considerably.

Luna

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found this interesting...

by luna in

x - close recent stories by john christoffersen associated press.

stabbing of jehovah's witness poses legal quandary

by john christoffersen, associated press.

luna

x - close Recent Stories By JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN Associated Press

Stabbing of Jehovah's Witness poses legal quandary

By JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN, Associated Press
Last Updated 10:16 a.m. PST Monday, January 12, 2004

GREENWICH, Conn. (AP) - When Carol Ferenz stood by her religious principles, it may have cost her life. It certainly left authorities in a legal quandary about her son.

Ferenz, a Jehovah's Witness, turned down a blood transfusion after she was stabbed repeatedly in her Greenwich home on New Year's Eve. The Westchester County Medical Examiner in New York said her death was a homicide caused by blood loss from stab wounds.

Her 42-year-old son, Stephen Ferenz, who is mentally ill, is charged with assault. Authorities are weighing whether to charge him with homicide; they are looking at what role his mother's refusal of a transfusion played in her death.

"Certainly it had to play some role," said prosecutor Jim Bernardi. "At this point, the degree to which it affected the outcome is still awaiting a review of the medical records."

Jehovah's Witnesses cite verses in the Bible that they say forbid transfusions. One often-cited Leviticus passage reads: "Whatsoever man ... eats any manner of blood, I will cut him off from among his people."

Ferenz is being held on $1 million bail under a suicide watch.

A similar case occurred in 1998 in California, when a Jehovah's Witness who was hit by a drunken driver refused a transfusion and died. The 32-year-old driver, Keith Cook, blamed Jadine Russell's death on her religious faith, but Cook was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Most defenses in such cases fail, said Laurie Levenson, a criminal law professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

"Overwhelmingly, the person who inflicted the harm is still responsible, notwithstanding the victim's decision to reject medical treatment," Levenson said. "The issue is who caused her death - her son or her decision not to have the blood transfusion."

But Levenson said prosecutors are wise to proceed cautiously, noting that jurors can be unpredictable.

Ferenz, 63, was stabbed in the chest and arm with a household knife. She was taken to a Greenwich hospital and later to Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla, N.Y., where she died on New Year's Day.

"She looked the doctor in the eye and said, 'No transfusion, no blood,'" said her husband, retired mail carrier Andrew Ferenz.

Ferenz said his son has been on medication for 25 years.

"When he does go off of it, he can't control himself," Ferenz said. "This is the only time he got violent."

Ferenz said "no way" should his son be charged with homicide. "He doesn't know what he's doing," Ferenz said. "He needs help."

Police had been called to the Ferenz's house many times. Stephen Ferenz suffers from manic depression, Bernardi said.

Ferenz's public defender declined to comment.

Church officials said it was Carol Ferenz's decision not to accept a transfusion. "The family called us for comfort and encouragement," said Jonathan Saxon, a church spokesman. "She did not ask us for a blood transfusion."

Saxon said church members accept alternatives to transfusions.

For example, the Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Hartford Hospital employs aggressive steps to stop bleeding, liquid solutions to replace lost blood, and medications to speed the build-up of blood, said the center's coordinator, Suzanne Russell.

The family lives in a neighborhood of modest homes in this mostly wealthy suburb of New York City. In addition to caring for her son, Ferenz opened her home to others for weekly Bible study discussions, said Fred Kida, a friend and fellow church member.

"She loved her God Jehovah," Kida said. "She showed this by her speech, her actions, keeping her integrity to the very end."

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