Gumby, it's because between the main reading-listening hall area and the door in many halls there is a corner to turn (thus putting him out of line of sight), and in other halls there is sometimes an inner door which blocks the view. The bathrooms are usually right by the outermost door on its left and right. Instead of "bold" he sounds like both a coward and a pervert. Again thing is although two door workers may be assigned sometimes only one is present (had to go use the restroom etc etc) or was even in attendance. So his lawyer is trying to hint that IF the girl told the truth then another man would have witnessed the fondling attack, and that is a bold-faced lie.
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by Kenneson in.
there is a very interesting story unfolding in massachussetts involving a then 28 year old jw accused of indecently touching a 14 year old girl in the kingdom hall in amherst in 1998. the trial has now begun.. "trial begins for man charged with indecent assault on teen".
http://www.gazettenet.com/story.cfm?id_no=11140057
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JW Goes On Trial
by Kenneson in.
there is a very interesting story unfolding in massachussetts involving a then 28 year old jw accused of indecently touching a 14 year old girl in the kingdom hall in amherst in 1998. the trial has now begun.. "trial begins for man charged with indecent assault on teen".
http://www.gazettenet.com/story.cfm?id_no=11140057
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Look below and you'll notice the compilation for Massachusetts has pedophile entries for several towns in the state. Somebody should email Bill Bowen of silentlambs.org and attorney Kimberly Norris this information, and they may want to forward a copy to the state's Attorney General and law enforcement since it looks like a pattern is emerging. News writer Kim Ashton has reported on two of them.
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CAMBRIDGE: Arvid Moody (68) died June 1978 after refusing kidney transplant + http://ajwrb.org/victims/index.shtml
DORECHESTER: Using attorney Stephen M. Born a 14-year-old Dorchester girl and her parents sued the Watchtower Society for covering up sexual abuse from Ronald, son of elder William Broadard, and discouraging her parents from reporting the abuse to police or prosecutors. William Broadard and other elders gave him only reproof while letting him continue as with his priveleges and title of "pioneer" (door-to-door minister) even though he had had committed pedophilia before. (Page B1 of the Boston Globe on January 1, 2003, for writer Katheleen Burge email [email protected] online copy: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/001/metro/Suit_charges_church_coverup+.shtml and it is reprinted with a discussion at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/43613/1.ashx
GROTON: Alleged possible "Paedophiles in cardiff north road congregation" http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/31782/1.ashx WILTON: apparent reference to pedophilia at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/43624/1.ashx
NORTHAMPTON: Jehovah?s Witness Joel C Bias (33), formerly of Athol, was tried in Hampshire Superior Court on two counts of indecently assaulting and battering a 14-year-old Amherst girl who said she did not consent to his touching her on the buttocks when he was by a 28-year-old man at church went to trial Thursday in Hampshire Superior Court. Assistant Northwestern District Attorney Linda Pisano told jurors that on two separate occasions in early 1998 the girl was attending services at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses in Amherst and left to use the rest room. Pisano said on returning to the main room, Bias was at the doorway, reached out, hugged her and put his hands on her buttocks, Pisano said. She froze then went to her seat both times. She said his actions were unwanted but defense attorney Thomas Estes, from the Committee for Public Counsel Services in Northampton said she did not tell Bias to remove his hands and ''had no reaction at all.'' He added 2 JWs have the job of standing next to the door at the hall; Bias had this job 'on different occasions.' The incidents were dealt with by the JWs and Bias told police he thought he had satisfied their discipline requirements. Nov 14, 2003, Staff Writer: Kimberly Ashton, kashton@gazette http://www.gazettenet.com/story.cfm?id_no=11140057
EAST SOUTHBRIDGE: alleged nepotism NORTH ATLEBORO: Ralph Heroux (74) of East Providence got one year in prison and 2 years of home confinement for sexually assaulting his young stepdaughter and her male cousin in the 1970s. When committing the crime in 1976 through 1978 he was a Ministerial Servant in the Kingdom Hall in North Attleboro. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=7590377&BRD=1713&PAG=461&dept_id=24491&rfi=6 copy of April 3, 2003 AP report from New Bedford, Massachusetts, and also at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/48025/703174/post.ashx#703174
OXFORD Congregation Sharon --WORCESTER SOUTH -- WORCESTER NORTH -- Massachusetts In General: Eleanor L. Maurer (31) died September 1979 after refusing blood transfusions
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JW Elder Spy Stories
by jschwehm inafter my brother-in-law left bethel, he got a "worldly" girlfriend.
the local jws wanted to know if he was living with her or not.
so they got the city overseer to spy on him.
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What are the odds?
If only 1 in 1,000 do so then out of 100,000 congs that's 100.
If only 1 in 100 do then that is 1,000 that do.
If 1 in 4 hides a ped as silentlambs estimates then the odds are much higher: 100,000/4=25,000.
If some of those that don't hide a ped but hide a serial murderer as we know they also do, then it could be more than 1 in 25,000.
Would you be aware if had happened to you? Not normally for they would do everything possible to keep you from knowing.
Expenses? The stuff is available dirt-cheap now. Annually the holdings exceed $2,000,000,000.
Personal anecdotes are plentiful. I believe it does go on.
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Thanksgiving Is Okay
by qua inthanksgiving's christian message of love: thanksgiving is celebrated in the phillippines, liberia, canada, guam, south korea, some of the carribbean region etc, and there were forerunners of it throughout germanic and slavic speaking nations.
the bible records that god told the people of israel to celebrate an annual harvest festival.
so it is false when some people claim thanksgiving is unbiblical or a nationalistic holiday for the u.s. alone although various colonies had thanksgiving, george washington made it into a national holiday and it was not regularly celebrated in the u.s. until abraham lincoln.
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THANKSGIVING'S CHRISTIAN MESSAGE OF LOVE: Thanksgiving is celebrated in the Phillippines, Liberia, Canada, Guam, South Korea, some of the Carribbean region etc, and there were forerunners of it throughout Germanic and Slavic speaking nations. The Bible records that God told the people of Israel to celebrate an annual harvest festival. So it is false when some people claim Thanksgiving is unbiblical or a nationalistic holiday for the U.S. alone although various colonies had Thanksgiving, George Washington made it into a national holiday and it was not regularly celebrated in the U.S. until Abraham Lincoln.
About 1608 English traders sailed to what we now call Plymouth, Massachusetts. Wampanoag Indians came out to trade, and English captured and took them to Spain to sell as slaves. One named Squanto was bought by a kind monk who taught him Christianity. Squanto went on to England and worked in stables for John Slaney who sent him home in 1619. Squanto found his village wiped out by disease. A year later English families arrived in a ship, he greeted the startled Pilgrims in English and taught them how to survive. When he lay dying of a fever, the colony's Governor wrote that Squanto had him pray for him and gave the Pilgrims his possessions to the Pilgrims "as remembrances of his love."
The Pilgrims, although having the first Thanksgiving celebration in North America and valuing religious tolerance for themselves, were so know-it-all, judgmental, rigid and harsh in their beliefs that later arrivals moved away to found new colonies and the Pilgrim religion itself eventually died out.
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Where Was Leo Greenlees When In California?
by qua inalan had posted the following inquiry on a less frequented sideboard so maybe here some of the greater number of readers will see and provide the answer for him.
my guess is that greenlees was probably in or near los angeles, but that's just a guess.
when his being a pedophile became too widely known, greenlees had to leave the governing body but he was not disfellowshipped.
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I think you said in another place that Greenlees went to San Diego. Jaracz was in L.A.
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Ponzi Scheme?
by Odrade inspeaking of kingdom halls... .
so the society asks for donations to build kingdom halls.
it then takes the donated money and loans it back to the very people who just donated it and charges them interest!
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If a hall's congregation quits the Watchtower Society the building, per legal agreement, becomes the Watchtower Society. It did not used to be that way but became so after the Bonham, Texas congregation quit the Watchtower Society.
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Where Was Leo Greenlees When In California?
by qua inalan had posted the following inquiry on a less frequented sideboard so maybe here some of the greater number of readers will see and provide the answer for him.
my guess is that greenlees was probably in or near los angeles, but that's just a guess.
when his being a pedophile became too widely known, greenlees had to leave the governing body but he was not disfellowshipped.
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Alan had posted the following inquiry on a less frequented sideboard so maybe here some of the greater number of readers will see and provide the answer for him. My guess is that Greenlees was probably in or near Los Angeles, but that's just a guess. When his being a pedophile became too widely known, Greenlees had to leave the Governing Body but he was not disfellowshipped.
AlanF Leo Greenlees - Where Was He in California? 24-Oct-03 18:24 Oct 25, 2003
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since 07-Mar-01Many posters know that former Governing Body member Leo Greenlees was ousted from the GB in 1984 for molesting a little boy. I hear tell that he was in California after that, and died some years later after spending time in a New Orleans, Louisiana congregation.
If anyone can shed light on exactly where Greenlees was from 1984 until his death, I'd appreciate it. This is very important.
AlanF
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Edward N. Davis (Elder) Sentenced for Sexual Abuse
by Gerard inhttp://www.kxly.com/common/getstory.asp?id=31876
former church leader sentenced for sexual abuse
a former spokane valley church elder has been sentenced to 90 days in jail for sexually molesting a girl in his congregation over eight years.
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Two things. What are the names of the 4 other in-the-area peds? It would be interesting to see if one or more of them indeed are elders there.
A second. Could someone have avishai (or he himself if he reads this) email me at [email protected].
Thanks
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Expatbrit's miscellaneous legal stuff thread
by expatbrit ina repository for legal stuff relating to or involving jehovah's witnesses that doesn't warrant its own thread.. disclaimer: whatever is posted here is for information purposes only.
cases may have been appealed and judgements affirmed or rejected in higher courts.
get a lawyer.. expatbrit
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Did you read the one about where on 60 Minutes the JW fathers saying their kids had lied about them (the fathers) sexually abusing them. It would be interesting to go back to those same kids now and see what they'd say since getting out of the houses.
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Bonham, TX?
by mizpah indoes anyone have any information on what occurred after the society dropped its suit in the bonham kingdom hall dispute?
the last i heard was the society built another kingdom hall.
what ever happened to those in the congregation that sued the society?
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A friend lived in a nearby town. She said the Presiding Overseer mailed hard-hitting letters to right to all members of the congregation and then when they were primed one time he got up on the platform, spoke and led nearly all the members to independence and the beginning of an effort to prove that the local members, not the WTBTS, owned the building.
Eventually the locals won so the WTBTS built a larger very fancy new kingdom hall. As a consequence the WTBTS Governing Body changed the statements of ownership so that they became direct owners of the kingdom hall buildings everywhere.
There was something I don't recall about the WTBTS setting the locals to tangle with each other. A Rahab tactic or something of that order.
I think my friend said the P.O. was married but then he divorced and married another one of the sisters who had also been married.
I haven't seen my friend in a long time and don't have much more that I can add. At the time of telling she was still an active Jehovah's Witness.
She was blaming the P.O. because he had left the Society with a lot of others at Bonham. She painted a picture of a strong-willed man who wanted things his own way and got it.
Something I can add is how it hit the Governing Body since a second friend was serving at Bethel at the time and was told some of the details.
They felt glum and at least some of them cried that a congregation "had left Jehovah" as they put it. It also made them angry.
Why don't you go to a large city library with indices of old newspaper clipping for that time period and approximate location to see if you can get the P.O.'s name and the like.