Posts by sloppyjoe2

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That's exactly what I am saying, the elders of the HLC for the area have taken over. The blood stance is still there. The reason they "allow" it with children is because federal law does not allow a parent to make a medical decision that in the view of a medical professional could hurt the child. The courts will step in and take custody and order the treatment. Hence no underage child can refuse a blood transfusion legally nor can a parent keep that from happening legally.

I notice you said the elder said to take blood and not tell anyone. That's the important part, not tell anyone. The official stance is blood is still not allowed. That is not a watchtower direction, that was that particular elder who may very well himself disagree with the blood issue. The one issue you said that a child was involved who was going to get blood anyway against everyone's wishes. One other aspect to know, an adult also cannot refuse medical treatment that may harm a viable fetus in certain states. I don't know if that was the case or not but it's just another law. The watchtower has found out over the years with children that they cannot enforce their blood policy. That is why every so often there is a news report of JWs taking their kids out of hospitals and running from the police.

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Watchtower July 2014

by StarTrekAngel in

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As far as blood goes, the watcthower will remain firm on blood transfusions. They may not have a talk anymore but they still have Hospital Liaison Committees which remain very active and really have become the experts for the blood issue. They give presentations to doctors at hosptials about the blood stand and what alternative care is acceptable. In my area there is an HLC meeting this weekend. Blood is still very important, it is just handled now by and handful of elders in the area.

I don't think they will change their stance on apostates. Just my opinion but they have control of it now anyway. There is not some massive outflow of JWs due to apostacy. They lose more to being disfellowshipped for alcohol and sex than they ever do to apostacy. I don't really read into that article other than it was another boring watchtower study to have to sit through. Most JWs will not listen to apostates and that is the way they like it.

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Strange situation

by Gorbatchov in

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hi folks,.

the rank and file is now in a strange situation.. it is clear that the jw leadership is in for a huge change.

the type / anti type change makes clear that they make a u-turn.. it's clear that with this changes the current doctrine are temporary.

sloppyjoe2

***w10 9/15 p.8 par.7 Earnestly Seek Jehovah’s Blessing ***

We cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of “the faithful and discreet slave,” we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.

p.27: "Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?" "The slave thus deserves our complete trust"

Ah well, about that, now he hasn't appointed them over his belongings so maybe we shouldn't trust them..

Watchtower July 15, 2013 Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?

18 In view of the foregoing, what can we conclude? When Jesus comes for judgment during the great tribulation, he will find that the faithful slave has been loyally dispensing timely spiritual food to the domestics. Jesus will then delight in making the second appointment—over all his belongings.

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Strange situation

by Gorbatchov in

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friends

hi folks,.

the rank and file is now in a strange situation.. it is clear that the jw leadership is in for a huge change.

the type / anti type change makes clear that they make a u-turn.. it's clear that with this changes the current doctrine are temporary.

sloppyjoe2

There are a lot of predictions made on here, sometimes right sometimes wrong. The only predictions that NEVER happen are the ones that predict some negative outcome for the organization. The JWs do not get confused or worry about the changes, they LOVE them. They don't know what the previous doctrines were so the changes do not matter to them at all. With their new language app and jw tv they are going to look like a fine oiled very loving religion. That will bring in new people as well as reinforce it to the current JWs. Lets be realistic they went through the 1975 debacle and are now thriving, they glossed over the generaton that saw 1914 not passing away with just a hiccup. They really could change a lot without any long term damage. Very few JWs really know their organization history, and if they do they staunchly defend it. The organization is going to continue to grow, no fleecing of money, no JWs questioning anything. The way I see it they have everything wrapped up at least until 2034. When that doesn't work out they will have planned for it and came up with something new. By then 1975 and the old generation teachings will be forgotten. A new religion will be in full force and churning on to the 22nd century.

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what tv.jw.org REALLY is

by Nebeska Nada in

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i think that tv.jw.org is the greatest slap in the face that apostates ever received.. what do you think?.

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sloppyjoe2

sir82 there is no connection. no slap in the face, no nothing. A lot of delusion on this board because of inner desires of wanting the organization to fall a part. There is no demise, there is no coming mass exodus, if anything they will grow.

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what tv.jw.org REALLY is

by Nebeska Nada in

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i think that tv.jw.org is the greatest slap in the face that apostates ever received.. what do you think?.

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sloppyjoe2

It has nothing to do with apostates, we aren't as important as we would like to think we are. It's just a redirect away from the 100 year anniversary. They acknowledged it, had a few talks and then bam, here is our new tv studio. 100 years of nothing happening is completely forgotten. In the future it will be a great gift from god with all the content JWs will receive. Marketing brilliance is what it is.

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My predictions for WTS changes

by tank in

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i predict.... one day assemblies only.

one meeting a week only.

handing out business cards at the door with www.jw.org on it.. all talks will be scripted for you (or is that happening already).

sloppyjoe2

They could eliminate the bookstudy some years ago because most of those were in homes, no donations being made. Going from two day to one day circuit assemblies works because they assess a per publisher cost to every circuit already anyway. They will just continue to assess this cost to the circuits. I will be surprised if the 3 day regional conventions go to two only because these are cash cows for the organization. I have worked in the accounting departments at disctrict conventions for many years and a convention of 7000 in attendance pulls in nearly 100,000 dollars. Adjust for the economic climate of the location of the convention. Hence you never hear an accounts report at a district, now regional convention. Making these conventions larger eliminates the cost of renting facilities while still having the same amount of publishers to donate.

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I...I have no words

by Theredeemer in

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i cannot wrap my mind around the fact that there is jw tv.

being a born in and living most of my life hearing how tv evangelism is wrong and lazy preaching yet seeing this unfold solidifies this religion as a cult!.

i remember back when i began my fade a few years ago i told my brother during an argument how this religion is just like any other religion in that its bull.

sloppyjoe2

Easy, they aren't on TV, they're on the internet.

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The New Success of the WBT$....."JW.ORG".....IT`S OFF THE CHAIN!!..

by OUTLAW in

sloppyjoe2

I absolutely agree they do tricks to keep the numbers up. They allow 30 hour auxiliary pioneering now when it was sixty just 15 years ago. 90 hours down to 70 for regular pioneers. 15 minutes per month can be reported for field service allowing those people to be counted as publishers. But the ONLY number that actually matters is their cash number, and as of now they are flush with it. Branding and dumbing things down has worked very well. When there is a doctrinal change, JWs don't even know what the old light was so the new light doesn't matter to them at all. I think they have done a fantastic rebranding job of themselves and as of now have secured their finances. Doctrine being right or wrong is meaningless even to die hards. The org is around to stay for long after any of us.

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New JW TV will be the best thing ever for apostates! Do you agree?

by Wasanelder Once in

here's my prediction; the gov body giving regular talks will come across as crazy ass idiots.

this will strengthen the opposition and give something to refer too that is concrete evidence of crazy town in the jw headquarters.

there will be screen captures and clips that will be used all the time on youtube accounts to show the ttatt.

sloppyjoe2

Nah, JWs worship the GB and jw.org. They will eat the tv up and love it.