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  What if we could bring down the WBTS?

  by derangedjdub in

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  what would be your plan or ideal reason the walls came crashing down?

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  What if we could bring down the WBTS?

  by derangedjdub in

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  what would be your plan or ideal reason the walls came crashing down?

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  As someone already brought up, they already believe that they WILL be brought down. So them getting brought down would just make them meet in basements and private homes, self fulfilling their doctrine, making them even more devout. Even when armageddon didn't come like it was supposed to, they would just form new opinions and doctrines to explain it. They would probably become a full fledged religion 50 years after it was brought down with all new doctrines and ideas.
  
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  How to change some significance of 1914.

  by sloppyjoe2 in

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  i first do not think they will change anything about 1914 for at least 20 or more years but one day it will have to happen.

  since 1914 is their meal ticket and they have it in print prior to the year happening, they will never abandon the year altogether.

  they have too much tied into 1914-1919 as well as have held onto it for too long.

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  I know they will never and can't give up 1914. That's why I said they would keep it as the year of Christ's return and when satan was cast to the earth. The only change would be the last days no longer started in 1914 but changed to a different event.
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  Just had a blow up with jw mom and she said the bible referenced angels being called gods, it that true?

  by Question_Mans_interpretation in

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  long story short my mom was acting weird, snubbing me, when i tried bringing her grandkids to see her, so i tried again and this time i just went up and hugged her since she wouldn't hug me or acknowledge any affection.

  when i released her i immediately saw her annoyed look and asked what?

  bang, she unleashes a floodgate of how she's still mad at me for going to another church that believes the trinity.

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  I always thought Hebrews Chapter 1 kind of indicated Michael the archangel thing was wrong.
  
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  How to change some significance of 1914.

  by sloppyjoe2 in

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  i first do not think they will change anything about 1914 for at least 20 or more years but one day it will have to happen.

  since 1914 is their meal ticket and they have it in print prior to the year happening, they will never abandon the year altogether.

  they have too much tied into 1914-1919 as well as have held onto it for too long.

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  @wizzstick..I'm really just trying to come up with an idea, I have no real idea what they will do. I posted that they would still say satan was cast down in 1914 but now call it the beginning of pangs of distress. The last days would be a future event. Sure it would be a total about face on what they have taught for nearly a century, but I'm sure they'd come up with some believable reason. Heck they didn't even use scriptural support for the overlapping generations or the FDS only being the governing body, so really their possibilities are endless.
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  How to change some significance of 1914.

  by sloppyjoe2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i first do not think they will change anything about 1914 for at least 20 or more years but one day it will have to happen.

  since 1914 is their meal ticket and they have it in print prior to the year happening, they will never abandon the year altogether.

  they have too much tied into 1914-1919 as well as have held onto it for too long.

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  I first do not think they will change anything about 1914 for at least 20 or more years but one day it will have to happen. Since 1914 is their meal ticket and they have it in print prior to the year happening, they will never abandon the year altogether. They have too much tied into 1914-1919 as well as have held onto it for too long. So here is my theory on what they do to change it. I use Matthew 24 for my theory.

  Matthew 24:3. While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things? 4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.

  I put in bold the three things that matter. What I think they will do is leave 1914 as the year Jesus was enthroned and his presence began as well as satan being cast to the earth. The problem they have is how long can the "last days" be before people stop taking it seriously. So that's really the only aspect they need to change. Since verse 3 uses the word and between presence and conclusion of the system they can nulight everyone with these being two separate events. Since verse 6 specifically says the end is not yet and verse 8 calls those prior events just a beginning of pangs of distress they can say in 1914 pangs of distress started but the last days did not.

  At this point they could do a number of things, either pick a recent event and say that that is the beginning of the last days, or pick a future description of Matthew 24 that has not occurred yet and say that that event is the actual start of the last days. They could say how many of these events are taking place so we know the last days are close as well as saying that since the term "days" are used, that it would be a very short period of time. Hence they fix the 1914 problem, 607 still doesn't have to be changed, and they keep the end being imminent in the forefront. Any criticisms to my theory?
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  Satan was right

  by sloppyjoe2 in

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  from the draw close to jehovah book in chapter 11 paragraph 10 it says this:.

  10 to find out why god allows suffering, we need to think back to the time when suffering began.

  when satan led adam and eve into disobeying jehovah, an important question was raised.

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  If only a JW could see the reasoning.
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  Satan was right

  by sloppyjoe2 in

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  from the draw close to jehovah book in chapter 11 paragraph 10 it says this:.

  10 to find out why god allows suffering, we need to think back to the time when suffering began.

  when satan led adam and eve into disobeying jehovah, an important question was raised.

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  From the draw close to Jehovah book in chapter 11 paragraph 10 it says this:

  10 To find out why God allows suffering, we need to think back to the time when suffering began. When Satan led Adam and Eve into disobeying Jehovah, an important question was raised. Satan did not call into question Jehovah’s power.Even Satan knows that there is no limit to Jehovah’s power. Rather, Satan questioned Jehovah’s right to rule. By calling God a liar who withholds good from his subjects, Satan charged that Jehovah is a bad ruler. (Read Genesis 3:2-5.)Satan implied that mankind would be better off without God’s rulership. This was an attack on Jehovah’s sovereignty, his right to rule.

  
  

  As a JW I of course accepted this. Today I thought of the story of the Tower of Babel and looked it up in the bible. Here is what it says in Genesis 11:

  
  5 Then Jehovah went down to see the city and the tower that the sons of men had built.6 Jehovah then said: “Look! They are one people with one language, and this is what they have started to do. Now there is nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for them. 7 Come! Let us go down there and confuse their language in order that they may not understand one another’s language.” 8 So Jehovah scattered them from there over the entire face of the earth, and they gradually left off building the city. 9 That is why it was named Baʹbel, because there Jehovah confused the language of all the earth, and Jehovah scattered them from there over the entire face of the earth.

  Now Satan said according to JWs that man would be better off without God. Doesn't the Tower of Babel prove that was true? Jehovah discovered man could accomplish anything they wanted and so he scattered them throughout the earth and confused their language?
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  Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...

  by Stumpy in

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  i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.

  you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!

  what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.

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  Related to the UN issue, if I had known at the time it would be taken down I would have saved the link, but it used to show how each NGO was fulfilling their obligation to the UN on their web site. You could click a link for the WTBS and it took you to a link of an article about eleanore roosevelt. It had been submitted by the watchtower as a way to "promote" some type of NGO requirement and keep their membership. The article was in the awake. In the time period of when the Watchtower was an NGO member there are multiple articles that can be found related to the United Nations and activities they have participated in. None of the articles were condemning them as the disgusting thing or even prophetic in nature but merely reporting on their activities. Something they had to do to continue being an NGO member. They got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and immediately terminated their involvement.

  It really is very simple as they were now apostates for their involvment. In 1979 they printed an article about just being a member of the YMCA. Here is what they said. In the January 1, 1979 Question from Readers:

  "In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. He is not simply paying for something he receives, such as when buying things being sold to the public at a store. (Compare 1 Corinthians 8:10; 10:25.) Nor is his membership merely an entry pass, as when a person buys a theater ticket. Membership means that one has become an integral part of this organization founded with definite religious objectives, including the promotion of interfaith. Hence, for one of Jehovah’s Witnesses to become a member of such a so-called “Christian” association would amount to apostasy."

  Clearly just being a member was enough to be considered apostasy whether you participated in interfaith activities or just swam in their pool. Does anyone actually think if you joined the YMCA, got caught, and just quit when you were caught it would have been "OK"? Of course not, you would have been disfellowshipped for apostasy. Yet when it comes to the organization, there is always a double standard.
  
  
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  Article: Reveal News-California court guts child abuse ruling against Jehovah's Witnesses

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/.

  california court guts child abuse ruling against jehovahs witnesses.

  topics: religion / religion and government .

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  anyone on any pro JW message boards to see their comments on this?