My response would be then what is the point in trying to understand any prophecy? If you can’t understand them until AFTER they are fulfilled they provide no value at all. We believe the generation that was alive in 1914 won’t die before the great tribulation. Ah whoops let’s change that to something else. So what was the point of having the original understanding for decades? All this response of the apologist really means is, stick to the organization regardless if they’re right or wrong. We will keep changing and call it better bible understanding as it suits the organizations needs. The ONLY belief among witnesses that cannot change is that the GB are Gods channel and the watchtower is his organization. Everything else can be subject to change.
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What does the Watchtower Society's History of Prophetic Speculation Prove?
by Vanderhoven7 inquestion: what does the watchtower society's history of prophetic speculation prove?.
how would you respond to this answer provided by paul coom... yesterday on quora?.
"our organization has never been a prophetic speculator.
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The Queen's Gambit (2020) One of the most enjoyable miniseries I've seen in awhile
by TD inthe queen's gambit is a 7 episode netflix miniseries about a female chess prodigy in the 1950's and 60's.. the story chronicles the life of the fictitious character, elizabeth harmon (anja taylor-joy) from the time she learns the game as an orphan clear up to the point where she defeats russian grand master, vasily borgov (marcin dorociński) to become the world champion.. female grandmasters are a rarity, so i was afraid the series was going to morph into an anti-male screed.
(it easily could have).
nearly every male character in the series, from the gruff but kindly william shaibel, the custodian at the orphanage who taught her the basics of the game and fronted her the money for her first tournament to vasily borgov himself is gracious and clearly delighted to play against a woman so talented in a sport dominated by men.. two notable exceptions were her pos adopted father who didn't care about her or his wife and a russian player who got a little salty when she kicked his butt in 21 moves.
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sloppyjoe2
I enjoyed this miniseries as well. A couple others I watched that I was surprised with how much I liked them are as follows. 11.22.63 which is on Hulu, it is made about a Stephen King book and the JFK assasination. Also on Hulu is a mini series called little fires everywhere. Both of these i found to be well done.
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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible
by TruthMatters init just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.
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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible
by TruthMatters init just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.
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If you have a list of pedophiles that you keep private and don't produce, who is that protecting? It certainly doesn't protect the abused or anyone that could be abused in the future. You can produce that list without naming who was abused. If not for the push by people witnesses label apostates, the org would have made NO changes on their policies throughout the years. A witness that would have pushed for changes would have been disfellowshipped, it took someone that was already gone or already disfellowshipped that the org could not touch to force change in favor of the abused.
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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible
by TruthMatters init just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.
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sloppyjoe2
It appears we have the return of "MadJw"
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Will You Take A Covid Vac!
by minimus inyes.
right now i would like to see how good the vaccine really is.
i’ve never taken a flu shot and so far, no flu..
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sloppyjoe2
I am an essential worker and will be available to me next week. I was at first a "no" until two things changed. First, I got Covid-19 earlier this month. This virus is nothing like I have ever had. I lost my smell and taste along with the usual flu symptoms. Then there is a chance I could get it again down the road. The second thing is I watched a video that a Doctor did that specifically talks about how the vaccine was made in record time. As he explained it, it is not a vaccine that they just created out of thin air in 9 months. The mRNA vaccine had already been used in trial studies before. Moderna, one of the companies that has been granted emergency use for their vaccine was already using mRNA vaccine science when this pandemic broke out. So all they did was take their science that they already were using and switched to Covid-19 for their vaccine. There has never been as much money and scientists as well as governments funding research for a vaccine like they have for this. They are not injecting the virus into your body, but tricking your body into believing that you have Covid-19 and build up the antibodies for it. Essentially if you think of the vaccine as a car, the car was already built, all they did is change the tires of the car to make the COVID vaccine. It doesn't alter DNA, it doesn't give you the virus and frankly there is no other way out of this pandemic at this point. People that are against the vaccine, which is of course their choice, do not have a better alternative. We will end up living and dying with this for years. I know two people in their 40s in the ICU right now and a 58 year old who died from it last week with no health problems. I will get the vaccine as to try and be a part of a solution.
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But you told us about those dates.
by Lost in the fog inyou couldn't make it up!
saw this wt quote on a friend's page.
it is from the awake magazine of 1993, march 22nd apparently.
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I came here to quote the very magazine that bennyk did. They made the original OP's article believing they were creating rules that would eliminate the possibility of being false prophets. What they didn't know is they already broke those rules in the May 15, 1984 Watchtower.
Jehovah's prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: 'This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.' (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment of his Son's words in a relatively short time." (Watchtower 15. MAY 1984, p. 6 [brackets theirs!])
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If a JW becomes inactive is he then labeled as an apostate?
by Pallbearer ini have heard a rumor that if a jw becomes inactive he or she is considered to be an apostate.
is this true?
has anyone here on this forum had such an experience?
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I don’t think that is an official practice. While inactive I was shunned by most witnesses and family witnesses. But when I started openly celebrating holidays, that’s when I was really shunned by all. No one actually called me an apostate to my face or in communication, but I am sure that’s how I am viewed. -
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The Seven Trumpets
by Jehovah lol inis it still watchtower dogma that the seven trumpets of revelation refer to seven conventions in the 1920s?
would many jws these days even be aware of this?
i find it so amusing that seven little conventions in the distant past, almost a century ago, could be equated with such an iconic biblical passage.
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Four times, because it was absolutely vital that we as JWs understood and could identify the book of revelation being fulfilled. Now current JWs would say aww that book is out of date and shrug it off. I find it amazing how easily they ignore that they spent so many weeks of their lives studying the same book at the book study for it to all be for not. I have yet to hear of a good explanation why Jehovah wanted us to study the same incorrect information three times, then an “updated” version that we had to paste in the old book, only to then say it’s out of date.
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Why Are More JWs Claiming to be Anointed?
by Ding inmost jws i know claim they are happy being in the great crowd.
they'd rather live on a paradise earth and pet lions than go to heaven.. heaven is a place they can't relate to, a place where they don't expect their friends and loved ones to be.. so why are more and more jws claiming to be of the anointed?.
aren't they looked down upon as if they are crazy, proud, ignorant, or engaging in apostate thinking?.
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sloppyjoe2
Personally I think the issue here is not how many people claim to be of the anointed, but that one day if the number keeps growing, they will have to change the doctrine of 144,000. The same thing will happen then as it does now when they change something and it is shown how it was absolutely claimed to be false before the change. Everyone will jump for joy and talk about how great Jehovah is and the light gets brighter if they ever say the 144,000 is no longer literal. We will point out how the GB said people who claimed to be of the anointed had mental issues and really made people believe they were crazy. JWs then will say we are apostates and blinded by satan and go on as if it's the greatest change ever.