If you read Romans 6:1-6 Paul is not talking about a physical death in this account. He is talking about being baptized into christ's death and therefore if you have done so you are acquitted or free from your sins. The watchtower sometimes uses just verse 7 to imply a physical death frees you from sin which they tie into Romans 6:23. They use this to say that all your loved ones are forgiven and will be resurrected. In fact this passage does not say that AT ALL as paul is saying in verse 2 that they had already died in the past tense. It is a spiritual death being discussed here, not a physical one.
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Is there a difference between being pardoned or acquitted
by Ucantnome inin the new world translation of the holy scriptures (revised 2013) at romans 6:7 it uses the word 'acquitted'.
in the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures (1985) it also has 'acquitted' and in the greek word for english word translation part in has 'has been justified' .
the insight on the scriptures (1988) under the heading declare righteous page 803 talking about the original greek words that are translated as justify and justification and can be translated as declared righteous and pronounce righteous it says,.
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Two questions for all "apostates"
by sloppyjoe2 indid any of you have a family member or close friend become an apostate first and you shunned them for it only to eventually see the light?
if so, how did your eyes become opened?
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Did any of you have a family member or close friend become an apostate first and you shunned them for it only to eventually see the light? If so, how did your eyes become opened? -
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Did Jason B Dunn say the "New World Translation is the most accurate translation there is?" Why make a new Bible than?
by MagicMItchJensen inthe circuit overseer mentioned something about the nwt being the most accurate translation according to professor jason b dunn, i heard this nonsense before but never really dug deep in to this topic because non of us really had a choice as jws but to accept all their random musing of our uneducated leaders as factual.
1. if the new world translation was the picture perfect translation of all the bibles and we went door to door telling everyone we had the "most honest bible", why did they change it to a paraphrased version?
what success have you had getting jehovah's witnesses to address why they tinkered with the new world translation, it was suppose to be the best translation and now it's turned in to a very loose paraphrased version.
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In his book "Truth in Translation" he disputes that the watchtower should not have used Jehovah 237 times in the New Testament. Of course they aren't going to bring that part up. -
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What are Some of your best JW Questions they can't answer?
by 1tMakesNoSence ini made a thread on reddit regarding questions jw's can't answer.
was wondering what you guys can add to it..
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JWs teach the reason God allows wickedness is because Satan challenged his sovereignty. This means satan said that man doesn't need God and could rule themselves without him. Didn't the Tower of Babel prove satan right?
Genesis 11:6 Jehovah then said: “Look! They are one people with one language,+and this is what they have started to do. Now there is nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for them. 7 Come! Let us+ go down there and confuse their language in order that they may not understand one another’s language.”
Didn't God prevent them from accomplishing anything they could?
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This is the man who made it all happen!
by Terry inwilliam miller.. do you know how important this man has been to your life?
do you know your life would have been entirely different (without a doubt) had he not lived?.
read on!.
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The scary part about William Miller is that the Seventh Day Adventist still use the year 1844 as significant prophetic year according to their beliefs. Even after all of this they now have 18 million members. 1914 will be significant forever for JWs now matter how far away we get from that year. -
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How long until the "Generation" gets Revised/Dropped?
by Lemonp inif you don't already know this; the latest revision of the insight book has no mention of the "overlapping generation" bs online library, insight book .
obviously that change will not bee seen by the vast majority of people, so when will this "brighter light" shine through in a wt or assembly talk?
predictions?.
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I always thought all they needed to do was say the generation that sees the signs in Matthew 24:29-31 would be the generation that would not pass away. They could say those are the only signs that we are waiting to see still. So we know we are close. Easy button, done. -
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How long until the "Generation" gets Revised/Dropped?
by Lemonp inif you don't already know this; the latest revision of the insight book has no mention of the "overlapping generation" bs online library, insight book .
obviously that change will not bee seen by the vast majority of people, so when will this "brighter light" shine through in a wt or assembly talk?
predictions?.
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You guys need to look at the Seventh Day Adventist. Most of us know that William Miller took the day for a year principle and predicted the end to happen in 1844. Fast forward some decades and through him Russell got the day for a year concept and 1914 from Barbour. Anyway, the Adventist movement now proclaims over 18 million members. Yet here is what they believe about 1844 today in the year 2015.
- Heavenly sanctuary (fundamental belief 24)—At his ascension, Jesus Christ commenced an atoning ministry in the heavenly sanctuary. In 1844, he began to cleanse the heavenly sanctuary in fulfillment of the Day of Atonement.
- Investigative Judgment (fundamental belief 24)—A judgment of professed Christians began in 1844, in which the books of record are examined for all the universe to see. The investigative judgment will affirm who will receive salvation, and vindicate God in the eyes of the universe as just in his dealings with mankind.
So what was once the "end of the world" prediction has morphed into this now over 150 years later. 1914 will be the same for JWs as 1844 was to the adventist movement. It will always be around just with new explanations.
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August 2015 WT - Let's Review the BS Children
by InjusticeSystem infound these gems in this edition:.
- keep in expectation!- prepare now for life in the new worldthe passing of time should not cause us to lose hope thatkingdom blessings will be realized.
there are solid reasonsto keep our scriptural expectations alive.
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August 2015 WT - Let's Review the BS Children
by InjusticeSystem infound these gems in this edition:.
- keep in expectation!- prepare now for life in the new worldthe passing of time should not cause us to lose hope thatkingdom blessings will be realized.
there are solid reasonsto keep our scriptural expectations alive.
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Why would you want to wake up before the 90s?
by John Aquila inif you were a jw in the late 70s into the late 80s you might have been one of those brothers or sisters that just happened to be in the right kingdom hall and with the right people.
during that time being a jw wasnt too bad if you were able to establish the right connections.
a person could pioneer for a while and be appointed as a ministerial servant in a year or two and within 5 years you could be an elder in your twentys.
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As someone pointed out on another thread, the Adventist movement has had failed dates and predictions since the 1840s. They have over 18,000,000 followers present day. Don't think for a second JWs won't be there one day. All they have to do is figure out how other religions hung around and they'll do the same. To this day the seventh day adventist still use 1844 as an important date, even though it was originally a failed prophecy. That tells you the life 1914 will have.