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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
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  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  waton15 hours ago

  The generation that does not pass away

  from reddit by sloppyjoe2

  wt prophecy like that would be a falseprophecy , because in Math.24 there is no such generation that does not pass away. They all pass away. The generation talked about will pass away after all these things have occurred. These things (listed prior to Math: 24:34) includes a disaster bigger than the flood in noah's day (from the world's beginning).

  Even current wt doctrine about the anointed generation is false, because the wt generation does not pass away after, (as Jesus said), but before the full Great Tribulation i.e. Armageddon.

  Armageddon, the tribulation greater than the Flood, which clearly happened after the worlds beginning, is the biggy, not just a mere "sign". It is a signing out of 99% of all beings.

  @waton I have no dog in the fight. Being false or not, the question is what will the watchtower do with their current teaching. The Reddit post is but one solution. Witnesses will believe whatever they’re told to believe, true or false.
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  The 1914 problem has already been solved on Reddit.

  https://old.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/hr5596/1914_the_last_days_generations_teaching_all_fixed/
  
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  JW's & "pagan origins" teachings.

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the cult demands that the "sheeple" avoid anything which has "pagan origins," so for consistency, the wtbts should come clean and abandon the use of the pagan gregorian calendar, and adopt the biblical hebrew calendar.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/gregorian_calendar#months.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hebrew_calendar.

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  Why do Jehovahs witnesses care about anything “pagan”? My understanding is that paganism started around the fourth century. You were pagan if you didn’t follow the Roman Catholic Church or the same for Judiasm. Jehovah’s witnesses would not align with either one of those and themselves would have been considered “pagan”. So why do they care what religions they believe to be controlled by Satan believed were bad? Why do they think they should also believe the same?
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  How many preaching hours are real

  by Hellothere in

  1. jw
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  how much of the preaching hours in yearly report you think are real?

  they always have high numbers preaching hours.

  probably increase every decade.

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  In my area we always started door to door unless there was bad weather. So we would do that for 45 minutes to an hour. Then we would take our "break" and go to a convenient store to get a drink/snack. Some places would sit and eat there for 15-30 minutes. Then we would do return visits where we would drive from one to the other. A lot of sitting and driving for that time. So probably 50-60 percent of the time is actually spent knocking on doors. Cart witnesses is probably 5-10 percent of the time.
  
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  Christmas, yes or no ?

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
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  i have just started to steep the mincemeat for my mince pies in dark rum .

  christmas is a big deal in my family and circle of friends.

  however among ex jws it's a bit different or so l understand.

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  Big YES. While I don't know any christmas songs, my wife and I fully embraced the decorating and doing christmas activities. Our children absolutely love all things christmas and it is truly a magical time for them.
  
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  How do Witnesses reconcile Isaiah 43:10 with John 1:1

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something does not compute.

  you are my witnesses,”declares jehovah, yes, my servant whom i have chosen, so that you may know and have faith in me and understand that i am the same one.before me no god was formed, and after me there has been none.

  isaiah 43:10. in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god and the word was god.

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  @wonderment,

  My point about Colossians which I didn’t really make is that they added those words themselves to suit their purpose. They used to have brackets to show that they added the word other and instead now remove them as if they were always there. As far as the trinity goes, I don’t have a dog in the fight. If my Bible said the word was God at John 1:1 and then Paul said Jesus created all things, and Genesis 1:1 says God created all things in the beginning, there’s an argument to make. Throw in God said let us make man in our own image. Someone can start to build a case. I don’t think Jesus taught the Trinity, but I don’t really care what side people are on.
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  How do Witnesses reconcile Isaiah 43:10 with John 1:1

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something does not compute.

  you are my witnesses,”declares jehovah, yes, my servant whom i have chosen, so that you may know and have faith in me and understand that i am the same one.before me no god was formed, and after me there has been none.

  isaiah 43:10. in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god and the word was god.

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  In my opinion, this isn't the verse that would ever catch a JW. You would go in circles with a JW with neither side budging. I think you know that. The verse I don't believe any JW could defend nor even know is how the word "other" was added to Colossians 1:16
  
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  How do Witnesses reconcile Isaiah 43:10 with John 1:1

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something does not compute.

  you are my witnesses,”declares jehovah, yes, my servant whom i have chosen, so that you may know and have faith in me and understand that i am the same one.before me no god was formed, and after me there has been none.

  isaiah 43:10. in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god and the word was god.

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  When I was a witness I could reconcile that very easily as punkofnice pointed out. Your bible is wrong and should read "a god".
  
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  "The Truth"

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know that jws consider the wt religion to be "the truth" and refer to it as such.. granted, that phrase is used repeatedly in the literature and from the platform.. but it's obvious that much of what the organization used to require jws to teach house-to-house as important truths--even within our own lifetimes--has been abandoned.

  it's been replaced by "new light" and "refined understanding.

  what's meant by "the 1914 generation" is a prime example.. in fact, i think it would be hard to find another religion that has changed so many of its teachings, especially in such a short period of time.. so why do jws still believe their religion to be "the truth"?.

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  The truth to JWs is that the watchtower organization is Jehovah’s one true organization. And the Governing Body is who Jehovah uses to communicate to his people. Those two beliefs are the whole “truth” for JWs. If they changed their doctrine to the trinity tomorrow, would all 9 millions witnesses leave? No way! If they changed to Yahweh’s witnesses, that’s what JWs would do. ANYTHING except those two beliefs are subject to change. That is what JWs hold as truth. Whatever changes in doctrine that come along is a part of being a JW so long as you maintain those two core beliefs.
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  "Christian Witnesses of Jah" by Greg Stafford

  by Bartolomeo in

  1. forum
  2. links

  how many of you know greg stafford and his youtube channel "christian witnesses of jah"?

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  i really like his style, always calm, respectful of the holy scriptures and firmly based on them to analyze the teachings of the wt from which he disagrees.

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  While I have not seen his YouTube channel, I don’t need to know what he believes. When I was a teenager in the late 90s and realized what was wrong with Watchtower, he was one of the most avid defenders of the organization. Writing books, doing open debates and so on. Regardless of his academic background, it took him many years to finally realize the org wasn’t what he believed it to be. I am a simpleton and figured it out as a young kid. He is just as susceptible and swayed by his own bias and beliefs as anyone else. No need to follow him.