Posts by Onager

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How soon is soon?

by Sour Grapes in

i guess if the jdubs have no clue how long a generation is they also wouldn't know how long a time period the word "soon" refers too.. 60 years ago my mother would hammer into my brain how soon the great tribulation was.

soon jehovah would destroy the wicked.

then a few years later there was no need to go to college because the end was so soon.

Onager

Frame of reference is key when considering something subjective like soon. It doesn't matter if there's an infinite God to whom "soon" is a million years. It's the frame of reference of the people receiving the message that is important.

For humans soon can still be seconds, minutes or even years. It's still subjective. What it can't be though is more than the lifetime of a human. That's not soon in anybody's book.

You might say, wait a minute. The Yellowstone Caldera is going to explode soon and that might be thousands of years from now. Yes, but the frame of reference for that "soon" is in a geological time, not human lifespan time.

The message was for humans and the frame of reference was human, so although the term soon is subjective it cannot exceed a whole human lifetime.

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Sincere question to those who no longer believe in God

by nowwhat? in

i get it, not a fan of yahweh the desert god.

but what about jesus?

anything wrong with his teachings like the sermon on the mount and the example he set.

Onager

Here's a couple of dangerous teachings of Jesus:

"Take therefore no thought for the morrow, for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself." Matt 6.34

Which, as the late, great Christopher Hitchens said, is the philosophy of economic suicide.

"But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my bretheren?" Matt 12.48

Religion is more important than family.

Then there's the whole purpose or message of the Jesus story: That a man called Adam (made up) did something wrong and I am somehow implicated in that guilt 6,000 years later and the only way for me to remove this imagined guilt is for another man, Jesus (probably made up) to be killed and for me to believe in this without evidence, i.e. faith.

The only reason anyone would accept this insane story is being taught it as fact when impressionable.

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PORTUGAL: Petition to terminate the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness gets national news coverage

by EdenOne in

the petition is now going on 537 signatures.. today the newspaper "diário de notícias", the leading non-tabloid newspaper in the country, gave the story front page coverage and a full page to the article inside.. here are the links to the pictures of the pages:.

front page:.

page 6 and article: .

Onager

I'm a citizen of an EU country... just about. Where do I go to sign?

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

Onager

So you're saying that 250,000 people enjoyed dying in a tsunami?

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PORTUGAL: Petition to terminate the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness gets national news coverage

by EdenOne in

the petition is now going on 537 signatures.. today the newspaper "diário de notícias", the leading non-tabloid newspaper in the country, gave the story front page coverage and a full page to the article inside.. here are the links to the pictures of the pages:.

front page:.

page 6 and article: .

Onager

A beacon of hope shines forth from Portugal!

Hurrah!

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Memorial Invitation 2018 : Subliminal Message ?

by jwdoctrine in

jw
friends

http://jwdoctrine.com/memorial-invitation-2018-demonic-subliminal/.

memorial invitation : subliminal message.

at first glance, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the invitation but on closer look a disturbing detail becomes apparent.it is in the upper right corner of the illustration of jesus christ celebrating the last supper with his disciples in the upper room...there seem to be trees outside the window but on closer inspection, all thanks to the pdf format of the invitation that allows you a very close look down to the fine detail, these are not trees but letters!!!.

Onager

In your version, where you've highlighted the letters in red, you have ignored one of the "trees" immediately to the left of the second Y. I don't think there's anything sinister about this, it's more a case that you've had an idea and are now trying to fit the facts into the idea.

This approach leaves you open to being tricked by your own mind, which is brilliant at finding patterns and presenting them to your consciousness quickly. That moving grass and that sound of a cracking twig means there is a tiger over there kind of thing.

In short I think you're seeing letters where there are only meant to be trees.

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No Bible = No God?

by menrov in

some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

would you still believe in a creator?.

Onager

Evidence?

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Im Writing An Ex-JW Self Help Book

by pale.emperor in

we all know waking up from the cult and trying to leave is a very scary and life changing experience.

for many it's traumatic and few find the transition easy.

we have to deal with families cutting us off entirely or keeping us at arms length at best, lies being told about us by the organization, ex members gossiping about us and finding ourselves in a world very different from what we're prepared for.. for this reason, i've decided to start writing a self-help book informing jws of what to expect when they leave the org.

Onager

Looking forward to reading!

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A Book About Cults.

by Lost in the fog in

i've been told that this book is a good read.

has anyone on here read it and can say what's in it or what's it about?

it is quite expensive to buy.

Onager

I liked Steve Hassan's Combatting Cult Mind Control. The edition I have doesn't have a section on JW's but I think the latest one does. It's not expensive either!

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No Bible = No God?

by menrov in

some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

would you still believe in a creator?.

Onager

Whether we should address God using terms such as it, He, She or not matters not.

Sorry to disagree with you Venus but it's the heart of the matter. As soon as you give any attribute to God, beyond being a non-interventionist creator who set reality in motion and then took no further part, then you enter the realm of extraordinary claims, for which there is no evidence,

You state that God is a he and that he "silently enjoys" providing humans with things. What is your proof that this is the case?

What if God is a she and she hates humanity because they insist on committing acts of destruction and not acts of creation?

What if God is a capricious child who created the universe by accident and then threw it away?

The fact is there is equal evidence to prove these propositions, including yours, i.e.: none.

The fact is that there are an infinite number of possibilities once you propose a creator God so the only logical position is to assume they are all false until there is any evidence to narrow the field.