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  Be Honest in All Things - New video exposes a problem with honesty at Bethel/Construction

  by George One Time in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on tv.jw.org kenneth cook jr. discusses how important it is to be honest when applying for special assignemts.

  he mentions health and viewing pornography.

  those who viewed pornography during the last year should not apply.

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  Rom 2:21 therefore you who teach someone else, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?
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  Now I am out, some reflections

  by menrov in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ok, i have been out (officially inactive) for over 5 years now.

  and from being frustrated during my awakening, to becoming a true bible student by analysing all doctrines and viewpoints, to being really happy to be out and at the same time, have developed a sense of disgust for the wt.

  my wife is still very much a pimi.

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  menrov

  Ok, I have been out (officially inactive) for over 5 years now. And from being frustrated during my awakening, to becoming a true bible student by analysing all doctrines and viewpoints, to being really happy to be out and at the same time, have developed a sense of disgust for the WT. My wife is still very much a PIMI. But this situation allows me to observe and I am sure you have the same observations in your lifes. And I have come to some conclusion which I like to share here, hence this new topic.

  1) for most JW's, their social life is of far more importance than the correctness of what they learn or are "motivated" to do. Their view is that is comes with the package. And even if it is not really scriptural in all its aspects, there is nothing wrong to do it. It is good to help people to learn about God, His name etc.
  This means that to them, to those who think like this, it does not make any sense to argue about wrong doctrines or human made rules etc. They feel happy so it is good.

  2) Also, many JW's do have a love or loyalty towards the God they think they know. That means that leaving the organisation they think it is an act of disloyalty towards their God, Therefore, approaching them with examples of wrong doctrines etc, will not motivate them to leave. Their loyalty is stronger.

  3) items 1 and 2 above is also the reason why some (may be many) are more a PIMO than a PIMI though they might not admit it or are aware of that. You can see it by the things in they do not follow the WT like higher education, type of entertainment, children and birthday cakes, worldly friends and activities and other stuff.
  They are relatively happy with their life as they live it because of item 1 and/or 2. Again, very difficult to approach these people to consider leaving the organisation for the reasons we all know.

  4) JW's will mostly leave the organisation because of a personal, nasty or very unpleasant experience. In other words, only the WT can push out their people. At times, we can be lucky to be around to provide the final push or plant the first seed but in my view, the real driver for JWs to leave is the behaviors of the WT (elders, CO's, Bethel people etc). The more personal their bad experience, the more chances they will leave.
  Of course, this is actually not desirable because often they become very angry and feeld deceived etc. It is like a very cold shower for them and it will take time for them to stop the cold shower and step into the warmth of a normal happy life outside the WT.

  Well this is my view. Happy to see others. And by the way, my real name is Michel Vromen.
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  separated from Jehovah?

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was told there are 4 things that will separate you from jeh.

  family, money, pleasure, and ??

  (i forget).

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  I was told there are 4 things that will separate you from Jeh. family, money, pleasure, and ??

  And the answer is: the WT
  
  
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  After watching A&E Leah Remini on Jehovah Witnesses I am going to stop hiding behind my Avatar

  by Still Totally ADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just got done watching this program and what impress me the most was the bravery of those x-witnesses to sit there on national tv and tell everyone how the wt.

  cult affected them.

  no hidden faces, no avatar names and no disguise.

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  I strongly believe that the more ex-JW's just show who they are and that they are very capable of running a happy life once they have removed the WT burden from their head and thinking. The WT writers already hide themselves. Let's not do the same. On FB is use my real name. I do not mind to use my name here if I can change my profile.
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  Watchtower refuses to "Say Sorry" to Australian Royal Commission

  by Darth FayDehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://youtu.be/qic5cfkjswu.

  interview on melbourne (australia) abc radio - regarding watchtower's refusal to "say sorry" (global campaign).

  radio host jon faine interviews lara kaputt.

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  For all those who talk or meet JW's, tell them that this ARC can be seen as fulfilment of these verses. You can add that God is acting via His servants in the ARC:

  13 Let every person be subject to the governingauthorities. For there is no authority except by God’sappointment, 1 and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. 2 So the person who resistssuch authority 2 resists the ordinance of God, andthose who resist will incur judgment 3 (for rulerscause no fear for good conduct but for bad). Do you desire not to fear authority? Do good and you will receive its commendation 4 because it is God’sservant for your well-being. But be afraid if you dowrong because government 3 does not bear the sword for nothing. It is God’s servant to administerpunishment on the person who does wrong. 5Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not onlybecause of the wrath of the authorities 4 but alsobecause of your conscience. 5
  
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  Things you will never hear a good Jehovah’s Witness say (to another Jehovah’s Witness)

  by hoser in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i’ll start it off.

  boy did we get drunk last night.

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  Cannot go to the meeting because

  - my kid has to go to soccer game

  - need to organize birthday party
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  My Dad's Funeral

  by Disassociated Lady 2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i had not seen my dad for 15 years because i had left the borg.

  (i had been out 26 years but there was a few years when the jws permitted contact with outsiders and then changed their minds again).

  they made contact with me again just before he was diagnosed with cancer.

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  Funerals are indeed for the living. As such, if my wife who is pimi, happens to die before me, I will not organize the funeral at a KH nor will I allow them to speak if they attend the funeral. Probably my only moment to remember her how I want to.
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  If the Bible is truly the word of God then why are their so many different Translations ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not only are their different translations from different denominations ,like the greek orthodox ,russian orthodox ,roman catholic .various protestant versions and others as well as the nwt of jw`s.. however various denominations print different versions of the bible which fair enough may only be minor differences yet at the same time they are differences to what they previously printed .?.

  and some have serious discrepancies .. as if they are trying to get to the true meaning of what god or jesus christ actually said or meant ?.

  are they for real ?

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  faith is not through the written word, manipulation is. Some people start to have faith in a creator when they start to appreciate the creation. People who start to build up faith via one of the many translations, they often become either obsessed / fanatic, confused or indifferent. I know, sound a bit black and white but in reality, I wonder how many people really become the meek and loving neighbor by reading the bible.
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  Who stands to benefit from the JW scam

  by cognitivedizzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  guys, i've always wondered about this ,.

  all the money grab,selling, consolidation of kh, real estate scam , who is the one who benefits from this elaborate scam, what's the deal ?

  who is the mastermind, do the gb or whoever really runs the show really believe what they sell.

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  As they say with crime case: follow the money. So he receives the money? Who grabs the money?

  What I would really like to know, who are the shareholders of the corporation?
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  How many here think Trump's news conference this evening was absolutely brilliant

  by ShirleyW in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm being serious, i would like to hear from folks here that support him describe to me how that news conference was absolute brilliance, he answered all the questions, he knows what he is talking about.

  just want to compare note with those who aren't his supporters (and have common sense) as you know this forum is here to hear both sides, so, have at it .

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  Lets just say he is not my type