It's all about the money and their public image. The WT board does not care the least about the well being or thoughts/opinions of their members. WT can continue practicing their religious beliefs but without any grants from the tax payers. Those are the rules of the games. In contrast to their own policies, the court is offering the option to express your views and they will listen.
menrov
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Court case Jehovah's Witnesses Norway kicked off
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://cne.news/article/2827-court-case-jehovah-s-witnesses-norway-kicked-off.
norwegian jehovah's witnesses are in court this wednesday and thursday.
they are fighting the government's decision to remove their registration as a religious community.. .
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Why believe in a god?
by menrov inif you consider that the god they believe in:.
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.
........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?
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Disillusioned JW, that is basically my view as well. I do believe people / humans were created. Period. Nothing more and nothing less. My question was about why do people believe in an entity as described in the bible(s) or other religious books.
Every time when I kill an ant or an insect, I believe this is how the creator works. It (or even they, if more than one) created life on earth (and may be also elsewhere) and left it with that. Make the best of it. I do not feel sorry for the ant. Ants will not provide worship to me.
And it is not only the Christian version(s) of a god, also in Islam, Buddhism and the many other beliefs in this world. They all one thing in common: they have never seen or heard their god and as a result they have built icons to make their god somehow visible.
I have met Tomas Gustafson, world champion 10 k speed skating in the eighties. It was during a business trip to Sweden and we went skating. He explained he believes in trees. He called himself a tree-whisperer. At the time, still active JW, I though he was losing it. At least as JW we follow a living god. Now, some 20 years later, I believe he was just like any other believer. The tree did not talk and acted. Only difference: we know the tree is alive :-)
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Why believe in a god?
by menrov inif you consider that the god they believe in:.
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.
........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?
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Linda14.... I am sure there are people who believe their prayers are heard. Even if they are correct, it would be a very selective hearing of prayers as the majority of prayers since creation of the earth are not heard or rewarded.
If your child will ask you for food because he/she is hungry, you will give it if you have it; give medicines if needed and can afford it, provide protection where required whenever you can etc. In other words, a normal parent will give whatever they can and is required for their child to be safe and fed and healthy. And if you are short in resources, you will see if others can help because you want to help your child.
Would you trust someone to take care of your child if that person is not willing to do any of the above?
Does the god you believe in do this for you, because you are considered to be his child and because he can? Would it not give more peace of mind to accept that the god many believe in, is actually not showing his power, not that he cares for the meek and the poor, and is not willing to act on behalf of his believers?
JW and also believers from other denominations just say that in the future, everything will be better, without actually having any proof it will be. I was a JW and thought like that. When I left, I observed how believers behave and think. And to me, it was very surprising to see people believing, trusting and hoping on a deity that they have never seen, never heard, that does not act in order to protect the lives of innocent people, to support and protect the meek, weak and others suffering etc. It strikes me that believers accept all these shortcomings from their god and still continue to believe and have faith but would not accept this attitude from their fellow humans, family or friends. Isn't that strange?
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Why believe in a god?
by menrov inif you consider that the god they believe in:.
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises- does not provide what you need to live- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.
........ how does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child?
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menrov
if you consider that the god they believe in:
- cannot be seen or heard and is only known in books written by writers we do not know nor do we have the original writings
- does not listen to prayers from believers for security, safety, health, survival, protection, rescue, food etc
- promises things that have not come true though had plenty of time to act on the promises
- does not provide what you need to live
- let's you suffer, struggle, work etc equal to non-believers, treated equally.......
How does a believer look at his/her parents if they hide themselves, do not provide for you (shelter, food etc), make promises but never live up to these, does not provide what you need to live, treats you like anyone else but not as their child? Would you copy that behavior as best practice? If not, why believe in a god?
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May 23 Watchtower
by Listener instudy article 22 is headed.
"keep traveling on the "way of holiness".
this article states that since 1919, having left babylon the great in that year, jws today are traveling on 'the way of holiness" (a figurative highway) as it takes them through the spiritual paradise and leads them through to future kingdom blessings.. they say that 'preparatory work' of that highway began centuries earlier.
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It remains peculiar. Luk 6:43 “For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit,
Most religions originate from Catholic church. Some later came from the Reformist or Protestant church. If the Catholic church is a bad tree, the fruits are also bad..... tell that to a JW.... :-)
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Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?
by Roger Kirkpatrick inthesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.
truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.
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Parables are lessons for life, meaning that it can be applied always. Therefore WT can abuse this principle and state that some parables are (like) prophecies.
Why would Jesus say this parable if it was a prophecy for a time when his audience would not be alive?
Religious organizations are for their own benefit and the Bible can be used to their benefit. Just show me one organization where their leaders live a humble life, and work for their own money and pay taxes?
They all love power and to receive admiration.
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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24
by Fisherman injerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.
— luke 21:24 .
the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.
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Why would someone speak to another person or persons about something that will happen and how they (audience) should act if actually it will not happen to them? Would it not be fair to say that what I am about to say does not apply to you but to people that will live far in the future.....but I cannot guarantee that my words will be understood by then.
My point, if you write or speak to someone or some people, it is meant for the person(s) you speak to or write to. not for a future set of people, hundreds or thousands of years later.
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Are they now tracking our activity on jw.org app?
by raymond frantz inthis disclaimer appeared on my jw.org app after using their add notes function on the watchtower study section are they now tracking the app and what we add to it?
the information i add on their note section is mainly points that i can use on my videos which is really clashed as apostate material.this information is saved on my drive and not on cloud so are they installing a tracker on your system once you press accept so they can use this information against in the future?
have you had a similar experience?.
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Your data may be shared with other branches or cooperating organizations used by Jehovah’s Witnesses if necessary to satisfy your request.
Wonder what these are.....
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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?
by Mum inso, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.
as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.
they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..
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No Christmas, no Easter, no birthdays..... everything to be opposite of Catholics.
BTW: regarding birthdays. so-called, negative examples in the bible. But if God fearing people were not supposed to be at a birthday party, then who wrote the story and could observe and hear what happened????
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Watchtower Study : Jehovah Is Helping You To Succeed
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | january 2023. study article 3. jehovah is helping you to succeed.
how jehovah makes you successful.
13. does jehovah intervene in every situation we face?
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Religious blindness --> change any situation into a positive act of God. Not unique to JW's. About all devote believers will see their God in everything.
In the example here, from the outside, you would say: where is the almighty God with all the powers he has? Did he prevent the boy to get sick as the family is part of God's family? Did the boy recover? And who actually tried to cure the boy? Doctors who are not JW's and had a study that the WT would not support (higher education). So, if you want to see the hand of God, you can see it in the provision of educated and devoted doctors.