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  Why do you still give talks?

  by 1tMakesNoSence in

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  assuming you are still sitting there because of circumstances.

  why do you still give/don't give talks?i ask this because i have to give talk no.

  3: love and obedience bring happinessnwt p. 26 4-6 (5 min.

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  Good luck, and remember, obedience to the gb is the key ... :-)
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  2015 Regional Convention Anthony Morris Governing Body encourages coerced baptism of unwilling children ...again

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  this is from the last talk of the convention ......... clip 1:30 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrej8tlyiso&feature=youtu.be.

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  I was under the impresion this conference was called IMITATE JESUS. Well then, Jesus was baptised at the age of 29. Fully grown up but although at 12 He already was able to discuss the scriptures, only then He decided to get baptised.

  Therefore, WBTS, walk your talk and stop promoting child / infant baptism.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses 2015 Regional Convention Saturday PM experience parents shunning children

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  clip 3 minutes long.

  ron and brenda sutton ................warwick 3 children

  it was the missed association with family that brought them back.

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  Jesus died for all, enemies and friends.....

  but these guys will only give their lives if they are members of the organisation. I thought this conference was about imitating Jesus.

  Child got back in due to family pressure. That is why Jesus said: Mat 10:37 “Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
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  What's the view by most Christians of the OT?

  by jws in

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  i know the jws believe that since jesus came, the mosaic law is null and void.. i notice many other christians seem to keep quoting the old testament.

  there's even videos on the web with idiots screaming "don't take my 10 commandments" when a statue was being taken down.

  even though i doubt these guys know the real 10 commandments in ex 34 (that were on the tablets), not the ones in ex 20 and would be hard pressed to tell you when was the last time they celebrated the festival of weeks or of unleavened bread.. i mean how can they scream about keeping the 10 commandment statues yet wear clothes with 2 types of fabrics?.

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  The LAW is no longer the judge over Christians. Jesus has been appointed judge and for that reason, Christians are free from the Law but bound by the Law of Christ, which is love.

  However, one can still follow and apply the law if he/she wants to but it will not be the reason to receive eternal life. Point is as Paul reasons, if you break one element of the law, you have broken the entire law. It was impossible for humans to fulfil the law. Only Jesus could and did. As such, He freed His followers from the Law.

  By the way, the OT is not synonym for the Law (which is indeed more than just the 10 commandments, I believe it holds about 600 laws). I believe that the OT has a purpose as it explains the beginning and the road that lead to Jesus. It has no real value with regard to eternal life though.
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  June 2015 Watchtower equating Apostates with The Antichrist!

  by nicolaou in

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  2. bible

  shit!

  it finally happened.. years ago i speculated on this happening but can't find the posts.

  anyway, this is a tactically aggressive move by wt.

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  Just wondering, the letter by John and hence his words in chapter 2 are written to those who have received the anointing (1 John. 2:27). Does this mean that all others are part of the antichrist because they have not received the anointing?
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  Abraham, Isaac, Jacob are IN the Kingdom of Heaven?

  by FusionTheism in

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  the new jesus book ("the way, the truth, the life"), page 92 says this:.

  "once jesus has performed that healing, he uses the occasion to confirm that non-jews of faith will be favored with blessings, saying: many from east and west will come and recline at the table with abraham and isaac and jacob in the kingdom of the heavens.

  what about faithless jews?

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  without adding any kind of exception or explanation

  
  

  That is not uncommon for the society. As such, most JW's will not notice they ave changed their mind/views/doctrine again........
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  Type and Anti-Type, the killing of the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Whats thier angle and how do they spin out of this one?

  by Crazyguy in

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  it would seam that the changing of the type anti-type teaching kills their claim as the faithful and discreet slave class as it is only a parable according to peter at luke 12:41. obviously i don't think they will ever come out and actually say that the f&ds is just a parable, so when one asks what will the answer be, to spin out of this obvious problem?.

  also what do you think is the reason for the change in this teaching?

  is it more to do with getting rid of doctrine that can be criticized or could it be that they are trying to make it as though they are really not in control of the congregations so as to say we aren't responsible when the prosecution comes knocking over future pedophile case?

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  True, they (WBTS) admit it is a parable, like the 10 virgins and talents and sheep/goat but apply them as a prophecy. In the study article, they ask "When will this illustration be fulfilled" or " when this illustration will have its climax".

  So, as usual the play with words, create their own definition and play mindgames.
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  The real issue is long term solvency.

  by joe134cd in

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  ok every one raves on at how miserable and tight wt is, while they are literally swimming in money and assets.

  although this may be true this isn't the real issue or the problem to begin with.

  the problem is having a long term survivable business plan.

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  If an organisation believes it has a scriptural reason to exist (although the scriptures do not support a global religious master organisation over all believers), then their purpose is to spiritually support the congregations it oversees. The only 'food' they should consider is the bible. And they can 'recruit' people to provide that 'food' and those people can be supplied just enough money to have a regular life as an evangelist (also not as Paul did because he worked to support himself). In such a setup, the organisation would never run out of money as there is hardly any money involved in the first place.

  But the WBTS has built an religious empire. Always used "size of the organisation" as proof of heavenly support. But such a setup is no longer sustainable by voluntary donations. It needs heavy income streams in order to maintain, renew and grow their portfolio. They have to cover for losses, unexpected damages and costs and at the same time, generate funds to support future expenses.
  In other words, it is no longers a religious organisation, but a commercial enterprise with religion as their main product.

  Not unique in the world though. I guess all so-called religious organisation are or have become commercial enterprises. The hypocrisy in here is that the WBTS always marketed themselves as being different,

  Well, as Jesus said (my wording): you recognize the sanity of a tree through its fruits.

  I just hope that one day, governments and tax authorities will review the Charity rules and make a policy that all profits (the difference between original purchase price and current sales price) is returned to a dedicated charity fund from which other charities can be funded or supported. Charities or relgious organisation should not be allowed to undertake commercial activities, in any form, not via real estate, shares etc.

  In my view, when someone is exempt from tax, he should also not be able to make profits.
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  Official List of Helpers to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by jwleaks in

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  official current list as published by watchtower >>> here.

  official list of governing body of jehovahs witnesses helpers.

  list of governing body of jehovahs witnesses helpers.

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  I just wonder what the reason is to publish these names. Are they part of the so-called anointed group who the rank and file are supposed to support and follow?

  I cannot find a real good reason to mention all these helpers. Any idea?
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  Any good answers at this Sunday's WT?

  by Lemonp in

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  obviously this weeks' wt has been part 3 of big changes in the doctrine.

  at the end i answered up saying along the lines of: "as we can see from the illustration box, when it comes to the reward being given to the slaves, divine appointment was not given in 1919. this will happen in future when the anointed get taken before armageddon".

  i couldn't bring myself to say "raptured at armageddon" as i think people might have taken a closer look at me...but it felt good to call out publicly the bull sh#t date of 1919 .

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  I have not gone for months. However, I had a chat / discussion with my wife on the meaning of illustrations (definition, purpose) and if a parable / illustration is equal to a prophecy....

  Anyway, at some point paragraph 8 in the study Will You Keep Awake came up, I believe a study article from 2 weeks ago, It reads:

  8 They have indeed! Throughout the last days, anointed Christians have acted like those discreet virgins, prepared to carry out their assignment faithfully until the end. They count the cost of faithful service, realizing from the outset that their assignment will mean giving up many of the material advantages available in Satan’s world. They devote themselves exclusively to Jehovah and serve him, not with some date or deadline in mind, but out of love and loyalty to him and to his Son. They maintain their integrity, refusing to adopt the spirit of this wicked world and its materialistic, immoral, and selfish attitudes. They thus remain ready, steadily shining as illuminators, undaunted by any apparent delay in the arrival of the Bridegroom.

  
  

  I asked who the THEY are and she said the anointed. OK I said, so that means that all things mentioned here in this paragraph (and actually all parables discussed) are about the remaining anointed on earth, say some 14.000? Or in other words, these words do not apply to all other say 8 million JWs ? And why are about 8 million JW;s gathering to discuss parables that are only meant for the remaining 14.000? Isn't that weird, to say the least??