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  Who am I to screw up their happiness?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that was the question to me tonight.

  because of their beliefs they have a moral compass, a net work of friends and a support group.

  they have what they believe is a loving god.

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  I was asked more or less the same question by my partner. My reply :because that is exactly what JWs are doing when they go door to door to tell people that their religion is wrong and that their lives are at stake. Every time they call a.door it could be an effort to change people regardless if that person is happy with his / her lifestyle or religion.
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  London Conventions 2015 - NO TWICKENHAM

  by Da.Furious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just got news from a friend that yesterday a letter was read in their congregation announcing new locations for the regional conventions in london.. the main item was no twickenham in 2015.. their congregation is assigned to excel london (need to confirm since he was not 100% sure).

  i will update this when i get more information tonight.. .

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  There was a change in venue in The Netherlands as well. The difference means around 325 km's more over 3 days. Say 60 cars in one congregation, means 19.400 additional km's or some 2600 euro additional cost. For only one impacted congregation!!!

  Why not just cancel the assemblee for this year if suddenly the venue is not available...it saves a lot of money and hassle (and who knows, marriages...)
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  Demoted from elder to MS, anybody ever heard of this?

  by Naoscillator in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so a friend in a nearby hall told me their co came through, and in a hellish week of long meetings and inquisition overhauled the boe.

  only one remains as elder, three were re-appointed as ms, and one, the cobe was deleted entirely.. two new elders were brought in as new secretary and cobe / watchtower conductor, respectively, and introduced to the congregation from the platform on sunday immediately following his second talk.

  he reminded everybody of the authority he has and then named the new appointees.

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  May be it all happened because these elders have a history on record with children and as COs are now accountable a cleanup.might take place
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  Acts 15... common decision making or peace treaty?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  acts 15, along with the fds parable, are the basis for the existence of the modern day gb.

  it is not difficult for anyone who is beginning to study the bible with jws to see this and be utterly convinced of the matter.

  even after learning ttatt i had a hard time departing from the idea that a centralized body of administration may have existed then and may need to exist now.

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  Good topic.will need more time to respond
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  Balls

  by Driving Force in

  1. social
  2. humour

  men in their twenties play football.. men in their forties play tennis.. men in their sixties play golf.. when men get older their balls get smaller..

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  nasty future we have as men.............. :-)
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  Radio Broadcast - 01/06/15 - Controversy over Shannon Farmer's involvement in Blood Management

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  mr. shannon farmer, the jw who is currently working with axel hoffman to implement blood management programs in europe, is the subject of a radio show in australia that aired on june 1, 2015.. http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/content/s4249605.htm.

  controversy over blood management and blood transfusionsgovernments manage potential conflicts of interest all the time, but they seldom concern the very stuff running through our veins.the national blood authority's expert panel on blood transfusions includes one member who doesn't believe in blood transfusions at all.moreover, shannon farmer has a commercial interest in alternatives to blood transfusions.

  newsradio's clive hunton reports from canberra.. listen to radio broadcast (8:55 min):.

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  menrov

  Will listen later. From the link to the announcement I picked up this interesting statement (bold/underscore is mine)

  Moreover, Shannon Farmer has a commercial interest in alternatives to blood transfusions
  
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  WT April 15, 2015... Odd first paragraph

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  flipping thru the pages of the april 15 wt study edition, i bumped into something that strikes me as odd.

  not that the wt never publishes odd things, but usually such comes in the form of misapplied scripture or hidden second meanings.

  i've never paid attention before but to me this is the first time i see a whole paragraph with no bible verses to read.. in the article tiled "always trust in jehovah!

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  OUTLAW reported what Tacitus wrote and in which this was said: Accordingly first those were arrested who confessed they were Christians; next on their information, a vast multitude were convicted, not so much on the charge of burning the city, as of "hating the human race."

  It means that many so-called Christians betrayed their "spiritual brothers and sisters" (as the WBTS calls them in par 1). This betrayal was not mentioned in the paragraph. Also, these Christians were punished for what they presumably had done. I do not support the treatment given to these Christians but as Jesus warned: “Put your sword back in its place! For all who take hold of the sword will die by the sword."

  If Tacitus was correct, you should wonder if these people who are referred to as Christians were truly Christians, in the sense that the actually acted as Jesus would. I do not recognize Jesus in the acts of these Christians. Further, if many of them were betrayed by their own "spiritual" brothers and sisters, one can truly wonder how much we should trust our spiritual brothers and sisters.

  As usual, the WT does not show sources or references. Further, I do not understand the switch from slaughtering Christians to Paul being concerned if Christians come to his aid.....most peculiar.

  Par. 3 says: Yes, the Lord Jesus provided the power Paul needed.
  Then it is most peculiar that the entire article is about trusting Jehovah. How big a contrast.......

  
  

  
  
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  Malawi CRAP in April 15 2015 Watchtower

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  near the top of page 15 in the april 15, 2015 watchtower shows a photo of the malawi congress party card made the center of jws being severely persecuted in malawi in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

  the lie is furthered in this watchtower article is that the whole issue was over jws refusing to involve themselves in politics.

  readers who want to know the whole story of what caused this persecution are invited to consider evidence in the following article presentations: .

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  I feel very sorry for all those poor people that suffered so much because of the JW policy. The doctrine is that a christian should not get involved in politics. What does that mean? And I do not mean the JW explanation. It there is a fight between 2 people in the street, I will try not to get "involved". This does not mean I reject the people involved or the rules of the game but it is simply not my fight and will not become part of it.I will not actively participate in the fight.

  By refusing to buy a card the person actually takes a political stance: he rejects/disobeys the ruling government. The same government that demands you to pay taxes and to obey their laws. You carry a passport (or identity card or this MCP card) which is issued (and owned) by the government of that country, which is used to identify oneself as a citizen of a country. To buy that card is in my view not a means to express your political preference but a sign of obedience to the law of the government. It is not an act of worship (involvement).

  It is very very sad that the organisation has abused the situation to promote their doctrines whilst endangering the lives of their members.
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  'Conti' Court decision secures Watchtower's Policy of confidentiality

  by telemetry11 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the court on the rule of confidentiality of penitential communications and evidentiary privilege--.. decision reads:.

  "the law generally protects the confidentiality of communications with clergy like those of kendrick to the elders here.".

  "if the person has a constitutional right to independence in making religious choices, the recognition of an evidentiary privilege is an apt means of protecting that autonomy.

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  I believe it depends now on the quality of the lawyers of Conti. The court is of course correct when they state that elder are not obliged to make a confidential conversation public. It is a bit strange (I assume the quote is accurate) that they said "had no duty to depart from Watchtower's policy of confidentiality"

  I would say the elders had no duty to depart from the attorney-client privilege (if that is what it's called). In other words, there was no reason to break this specific law. It is the same with doctors and patients and attorneys and their clients.

  My question would be, if all that Kendrick had done prior to molesting Conti was secret or whether his prior convictions and behaviour was already in the public domain (i.e. court records, news paper articles). If so, the elders could have shared that public information. In the end, the elders are believed to have been appointed to protect the flock, even give their lives for it.

  Yes, it is going ot be a marathon, very costly as well. If I would be the lawyer for Conti, I would focus much more on the role elders are given by the organisation, and the principles in the bible because the WBTS always claim they do all as written in the bible. I would use exactly that claim to show they failed and are using (cherry picking) the secular law to hide themselves. In other words, they have shown not to be able to protect their flock as they should and for which the receive many nice privileges (i.e. tax exempt). Drop the claim they should have informed the congregation but focus on their responsibility to do all they can to protect their people / member, in particular the weak / fragile ones.

  
  

  
  
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  Why do you still give talks?

  by 1tMakesNoSence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  assuming you are still sitting there because of circumstances.

  why do you still give/don't give talks?i ask this because i have to give talk no.

  3: love and obedience bring happinessnwt p. 26 4-6 (5 min.

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  Good luck, and remember, obedience to the gb is the key ... :-)