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  Biblical gems

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  though the trunk, branches and even most of the leaves of the bible tree make no sense, there are some leaves here and there which are like gems of high value, such as:.

  1) “an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth” often mistaken as the law of retaliation is actually a beautiful foundation of a perfect judicial system because behind the details the essence is that any loss caused should perfectly and proportionately be compensated.

  original writing of this law and its context are not relevant because jesus described them as those being orally transmitted (which makes random additions possible), not written (mathew 5:38-42).

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  @WMUBYJH, in Hebrew, Ps. 51:5 reads partly: Heb “Look, in wrongdoing I was brought forth, and in sin my mother conceived me.

  This could mean that he was conceived in sin, i.e. his mother was sinning when he was conceived (adultery??)
  
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  October 10, 2017 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS Re: Branch Relocation Newsletter (UK)

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  october 10, 2017 to all congregations re: branch relocation—newsletter.

  britain branch relocation project edition 6 autumn 2017.

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  The letter says partly: there have been many expressions of thanks for what our great God Jehovah is accomplishing in building enthusiasm, both for our own branch construction, and for our future work assignment in the new world! Bold is mine.

  Like this new building is made ready for wrok assignment in the new world.....go figure....
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  I would like to thank the Lord I am OK

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i saw this on facebook: "i would like to thank the lord i am ok. had a serious fall yesterday from my garage landing to the cement floor and landed on my back.

  i suffered a closed head wound, severe cervical sprain, 2 broken ribs and multiple contusions on hand and arm and shoulder.

  could have been a lot worse.".

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  It is indeed a topic I have been thinking about quite a lot. If something good happens, it is because of the Lord, if something bad happens, it is either bad luck or Satan.

  Religious people believe that the God they worship is actually in control of all things on earth. If that is true, then I ask indeed, why allow innocent people to suffer? Would you allow if you would have the power? Would you allow your children or loved ones suffer when you could prevent it?

  And that is where most people become atheist. That is in my view unfortunate as I believe there is another option. My current view is that there is creator. I still strongly believe humans are made so complex, that it is very hard to believe it happened little by little.

  What if we were created. Period. End of story. Why believe anything more than that? The universe is huge it could well be that the creator is doing other things and left it to his creation (humans) to run their world. I often compare it with ants. As humans, we hardly care about ants. We leave them run their world. We sometimes step on them. We have no feelings for that. Most understandable. A creator can also see us that way. As ants. From another planet, even from the moon, you cannot identify a human.

  Will this creator ever intervene? I have no clue. May be. May be when humans have destroyed all, he might.

  All religious books have been written by men. Men that were looking for answers and for a better world / future I guess. It creates hope. Hope is a very strong driver. But at the same time, that same hope have made people disappointed and depressed as their hopes were not fulfilled.

  In summary, yes, I do believe in a creator. However, I find it difficult to believe in the type of God found in the various religious books.
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  For ELDERS: Kingdom Ministry School for the 2018 Service Year (Picture)

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know wifibandit will post the pdf soon, this is just a snack for you guys and girls.... .

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  oh yes, almost forgot...bla bla in the name of Jesus...amen
  
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  What actually happened AFTER Jesus zoomed up into the clouds and disappeared?

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what happened after jesus zoomed up into the sky?for a while, he was expected to return rather quickly.in the meantime, there was the “great commission” and evangelism to be tended to.. the jesus believers were meeting in people's homes.

  members of that community would take turns using private homes to gather.

  thus, they went house to house.. these footstep tracers of jesus (they called themselves akolouthontes "followers" or some called themselves mathetai or "learners.

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  Hi Terry, interesting WHat is your source?

  Thanks
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  RUSSIA - September 2017 - Jehovah's Witnesses appeal extremist label and Supreme Court decision

  by jwleaks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses appeal russian decision on declaring them extremist organization.

  https://jw-russia.org/news/17091115-214.html.

  [40 page court argument with 166 points.].

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  menrov

  The WT pretends to take the bible as completely correct and true. If that is the case, they should not fight the government as they are there with support from God:

  Romans13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God’s appointment,1 and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. 2 So the person who resists such authority 2 resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will incur judgment 3 (for rulers cause no fear for good conduct but for bad). Do you desire not to fear authority? Do good and you will receive its commendation, 4 for it is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be in fear, for it does not bear the sword in vain. It is God’s servant to administer retribution on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of the wrath of the authorities3 but also because of your conscience.
  

  The freedom of speech is not absolute. The WT believes it can do and say whatever they want, but as Romans explains, their freedom is limited. This is valid for every organisation. It is sooooo peculiar: they (WT) have not problem to shun and silence a person with a different view (ie person is considered dead / non-existent), and at the same cry as a huge victim when they experience the same treatment from a government.......
  
  
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  August 31, 2017 BOE Re: Procedure for Handling Certain Cases of Wrongdoing

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  august 31, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: procedure for handling certain cases of wrongdoing.

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  If you come to know of an accusation against one of these broth-
  ers or sisters assigned to your congregation, two elders with knowledge of the circumstances should

  immediately contact the Service Department. Specific direction will be provided on how to handle
  the case and what kind of report is to be sent to the branch office. For example, depending on who

  was involved and where the offense took place, elders from outside your congregation, such as el-
  ders serving at Bethel, may be asked to handle the case.

  So much for confidentiality
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  September 1, 2017 BOE Re: Protecting Minors From Abuse?

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have it in spanish for now: .

  1 de septiembre de 2017 a los cuerpos de ancianos asunto: protección de los menores contra el abuso.

  please send this letter to me from any branch you have access to, in any language.

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  Is it not strange that the average JW believes that approval is needed from the WT organisation before approaching the legal authorities for such serious crimes like child abuse. In NL, consented sex with minors (I believe 16 or less) is illegal and considered a crime. Are they (congregational elders) going to report this as having knowledge of such a relation requires reporting?

  Anyway, the slightly adjusted policy can be considered a slight improvement (if at all), it is sad that this document 1) will not be shared with the rank and file and sad that 2) the rank and file are under the impression that their spiritual leaders are there to protect them and 3) that JW's look up to the organisation to drive the key decisions in their lives.
  
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  When JWs Pray for Houston

  by NJ501 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i hear prayers given by brothers why do they only pray for other jws not all people??

  i remember hearing a comment from my mother saying 4000 jws are affected by this...and i'm thinking yes that is sad but what about the tens of thousands other people affected?

  too me it just doesn't seem right to just pray for jws but to pray for all victims.

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  The company work for has provided a building to American Red Cross to be use as shelter. Also, the company provided financial support for all employees that are impacted. That was setup very soon after the event. No distinction on race, gender or religion.

  Just imagine that a shelter would only be open for one group of people?

  The "so bad" word offers support to all alike.
  
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  JW`s Lie about Christendom hiding the Name Jehovah.or its equivalent Yahweh

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovahs witnesses have been outspoken over the years/decades that christendom have been hiding or obscuring or even eliminating gods name jehovah from the general public.. how true is that statement .?.

  1. it was a catholic monk of the 13th century that first coined the name jehovah in the english language.. 2.the roman catholic douay version of the bible does have the name jehovah in it.

  about the 16th century.

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  menrov

  Hmm...first of all, the WT likes to generalize. By using the word Christendom, they generalize al Christians and Christian organisations. There is absolutely no proof they, Christendom as a group, had evil intentions to hide the name. The name was often not used for various resons:

  - no alignment of the correct spelling
  - NT seems not to have the name at all
  - out of respect to God as not knowing the correct spelling
  

  Many translations do acknowledge the tetragrammaton and provide a reason for the chosen translation of it. Most translations made by Christendom have applied a very modest attitude as they decided not to change the NT by adding the name Jehovah in it, like the WT did.

  The WT was not the only organisation that used a name for the tetragrammaton. I have a hard copy of the bible from early 1800 (1815) and has the name in it. Various Catholic translation also have a name in it (often Yahweh). Many Spanish translations also have a name.

  To use the name or not, is a choice. To add it to NT is wrong as until now, there is not one mss that has it. But to accuse Christendom of evil actions in order to hide the name, is really wrong.