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  Last week's WT - a convoluted trip back to Earth

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last weekend's wt study (nov. 18) had 3 count em three biblical references to the christian hope of heavenly resurrection that had to be twisted into talking about earth to fit their doctrine.. 1:.

  in what sense do the mild-tempered “inherit the earth”?

  jesus’ spirit-anointed disciples inherit the earth when they rule over it as kings and priests.

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  Headaches...pure nonsense...pfff
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  “Do You Know the Time?” From WT Sept 2018

  by skin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there is a one page article in the current wt study mag, sept 2018 pg 22 with the title “do you know the time?”.

  in that article it describes a number of different ways you can say the time is 1:30. it goes on to say “there are even places where that same time could be expressed as “half two,” meaning 30 minutes before two”.

  what i would like to know is this, where in the world does “half 2” mean 1:30?

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  It is done in some English speaking countries too. I got confused when they did that. So, it is not a lie in this case
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  Foreign holidays now expicitly forbidden too

  by George One Time in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jw-celebrate-holidays/.

  mostly we read about the regular holidays in the western world.

  now the other ones are also named, because some witnesses could be in doubt .

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  Amazing, almost nothing left to celebrate. What is missing are wedding anniversaries. It is about honoring the couple and partners honoring each other. Or 100 years of an invisible kingdom.

  I am happy with this large list as it will wake up more people. Like I said elsewhere, only the WT can make people leave.
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  Be Honest in All Things - New video exposes a problem with honesty at Bethel/Construction

  by George One Time in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on tv.jw.org kenneth cook jr. discusses how important it is to be honest when applying for special assignemts.

  he mentions health and viewing pornography.

  those who viewed pornography during the last year should not apply.

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  I agree that the porn industry does not have the best reputation. However, the many industries in countries like India, China and Bangladesh or many African countries can be considered far worse in the way to make use (abuse) men, women and children to work in ugly factories, long hours, bad conditions and for hardly any money. Modern slavery. But we still buy these products, do not punish the countries and actually we all accept it. As the porn industry is now far more in the open there are more controls than before and conditions have improved.

  People have their own freedom to watch erotic or porn movies, see horror movies, war movies or other explicit contents. It is up to no-one to ask you what you have or not have done. If the WT believes they have the right to intrude the privacy of your life, are they prepared to accept the same questions in return or even other questions like if they have ever been involved in child abuse, indecent behavior, have stolen something, lied to the authorities etc. All such things are not to be expected to be found among religious leaders therefore the rank and file have the right to ask these questions. Not only to those who call themselves the gb but also to those who take the lead in the congregations. See how comfortable they will be with such questions..

  The fact the WT organization can permit itself to such question, shows how much control they pretend to have over the flock. It also shows that being baptized as a JW has absolutely no guarantee that the person follows the WT rules. Why else ask?? The WT does not even trust the flock. There is an expression in Dutch that says something like "the way the owner is, that is how he trusts his guests"
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  Be Honest in All Things - New video exposes a problem with honesty at Bethel/Construction

  by George One Time in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on tv.jw.org kenneth cook jr. discusses how important it is to be honest when applying for special assignemts.

  he mentions health and viewing pornography.

  those who viewed pornography during the last year should not apply.

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  Rom 2:21 therefore you who teach someone else, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?
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  Now I am out, some reflections

  by menrov in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ok, i have been out (officially inactive) for over 5 years now.

  and from being frustrated during my awakening, to becoming a true bible student by analysing all doctrines and viewpoints, to being really happy to be out and at the same time, have developed a sense of disgust for the wt.

  my wife is still very much a pimi.

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  menrov

  Ok, I have been out (officially inactive) for over 5 years now. And from being frustrated during my awakening, to becoming a true bible student by analysing all doctrines and viewpoints, to being really happy to be out and at the same time, have developed a sense of disgust for the WT. My wife is still very much a PIMI. But this situation allows me to observe and I am sure you have the same observations in your lifes. And I have come to some conclusion which I like to share here, hence this new topic.

  1) for most JW's, their social life is of far more importance than the correctness of what they learn or are "motivated" to do. Their view is that is comes with the package. And even if it is not really scriptural in all its aspects, there is nothing wrong to do it. It is good to help people to learn about God, His name etc.
  This means that to them, to those who think like this, it does not make any sense to argue about wrong doctrines or human made rules etc. They feel happy so it is good.

  2) Also, many JW's do have a love or loyalty towards the God they think they know. That means that leaving the organisation they think it is an act of disloyalty towards their God, Therefore, approaching them with examples of wrong doctrines etc, will not motivate them to leave. Their loyalty is stronger.

  3) items 1 and 2 above is also the reason why some (may be many) are more a PIMO than a PIMI though they might not admit it or are aware of that. You can see it by the things in they do not follow the WT like higher education, type of entertainment, children and birthday cakes, worldly friends and activities and other stuff.
  They are relatively happy with their life as they live it because of item 1 and/or 2. Again, very difficult to approach these people to consider leaving the organisation for the reasons we all know.

  4) JW's will mostly leave the organisation because of a personal, nasty or very unpleasant experience. In other words, only the WT can push out their people. At times, we can be lucky to be around to provide the final push or plant the first seed but in my view, the real driver for JWs to leave is the behaviors of the WT (elders, CO's, Bethel people etc). The more personal their bad experience, the more chances they will leave.
  Of course, this is actually not desirable because often they become very angry and feeld deceived etc. It is like a very cold shower for them and it will take time for them to stop the cold shower and step into the warmth of a normal happy life outside the WT.

  Well this is my view. Happy to see others. And by the way, my real name is Michel Vromen.
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  separated from Jehovah?

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was told there are 4 things that will separate you from jeh.

  family, money, pleasure, and ??

  (i forget).

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  I was told there are 4 things that will separate you from Jeh. family, money, pleasure, and ??

  And the answer is: the WT
  
  
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  After watching A&E Leah Remini on Jehovah Witnesses I am going to stop hiding behind my Avatar

  by Still Totally ADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just got done watching this program and what impress me the most was the bravery of those x-witnesses to sit there on national tv and tell everyone how the wt.

  cult affected them.

  no hidden faces, no avatar names and no disguise.

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  I strongly believe that the more ex-JW's just show who they are and that they are very capable of running a happy life once they have removed the WT burden from their head and thinking. The WT writers already hide themselves. Let's not do the same. On FB is use my real name. I do not mind to use my name here if I can change my profile.
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  Watchtower refuses to "Say Sorry" to Australian Royal Commission

  by Darth FayDehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://youtu.be/qic5cfkjswu.

  interview on melbourne (australia) abc radio - regarding watchtower's refusal to "say sorry" (global campaign).

  radio host jon faine interviews lara kaputt.

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  For all those who talk or meet JW's, tell them that this ARC can be seen as fulfilment of these verses. You can add that God is acting via His servants in the ARC:

  13 Let every person be subject to the governingauthorities. For there is no authority except by God’sappointment, 1 and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. 2 So the person who resistssuch authority 2 resists the ordinance of God, andthose who resist will incur judgment 3 (for rulerscause no fear for good conduct but for bad). Do you desire not to fear authority? Do good and you will receive its commendation 4 because it is God’sservant for your well-being. But be afraid if you dowrong because government 3 does not bear the sword for nothing. It is God’s servant to administerpunishment on the person who does wrong. 5Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not onlybecause of the wrath of the authorities 4 but alsobecause of your conscience. 5
  
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  Things you will never hear a good Jehovah’s Witness say (to another Jehovah’s Witness)

  by hoser in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i’ll start it off.

  boy did we get drunk last night.

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  menrov

  Cannot go to the meeting because

  - my kid has to go to soccer game

  - need to organize birthday party