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  2021-June-COVID-Instruction-Manual!

  by Atlantis in

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  the manual is 32 pages long.. 2021-june-covid-instruction-manual.

  direction related to covid-19 pandemic for bodies of eldersjune, 2021this document contains instructions related to the covid-19 pandemic for elders in the spain branch territory only and is an update to all previous guidelines received.this is confidential and should not be distributed to others.

  ̶ titus 1:8english and spanishzipped folder:https://www.filemail.com/d/qsbzmlxmquqjmhp or.

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  menrov

  hahaha "“amazing” governing body? 😯 Wtf

  I thought it was a nice way express my sarcasm ....
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  2021-June-COVID-Instruction-Manual!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the manual is 32 pages long.. 2021-june-covid-instruction-manual.

  direction related to covid-19 pandemic for bodies of eldersjune, 2021this document contains instructions related to the covid-19 pandemic for elders in the spain branch territory only and is an update to all previous guidelines received.this is confidential and should not be distributed to others.

  ̶ titus 1:8english and spanishzipped folder:https://www.filemail.com/d/qsbzmlxmquqjmhp or.

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  Letter first says over 5000 died, then later is says over 8600.

  CHAPTER 1 items:

  Par. 12 is of interest: ... we want to be more cautious than the secular authorities and our neighbors .....
  All the precautions (face covering, social distance etc) do not come from the amazing governing body but from those secular authorities who are so eager to resume activities for economic reasons.....

  Par. 14 is peculiar and apparently based on old data. In The Netherlands, and various other countries, the number of infected individuals is decreasing significantly. But hey....the less contact they recommend, the better :-)

  17000 deaths is about equal to the number in the Netherlands, difference being that there are over 17 million inhabitants whereas only 8 million JW's. Not a track record for which their God deserves praise I guess.

  Par. 15 repeats "secular authorities who are so eager to resume activities for economic reasons"
  

  Par. 18: in order increase the burden on sick JW's in hospitals and on their treating medical staff, they emphasize the blood position again.
  Good to see that none of the popular vaccines contain blood fractions (though I believe the AstraZenica and Janssen vaccines are based on blood fractions.
  

  Everywhere it use the word WE.....I always wonder, who the WE are....

  Par 20. more or less provides the impression that if you have yourself vaccinated, you show respect for life. Allow a blood transfusion would then also be an act of love for life...
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  Newly discovered Dead Sea Scrolls with the tetragrammaton within the Greek text

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  big news from israel, some previously undiscovered dead sea scrolls have been found with portions of the ot in greek.

  it says the name of god is included in hebrew letters within the greek text.. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/world/middleeast/dead-sea-scrolls.html.

  "the new fragments contain verses from zechariah 8:16-17, including part of the name of god written in ancient hebrew, and verses from nahum 1:5-6, both from the biblical book of the twelve minor prophets.".

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  Hence whenever they read and came to the name, they pronounced instead the word Adonai (Lord) or Elohim (God). Hence in making that first translation into Greek known as the Septuagint Version (LXX) the translators followed the Hebrew custom and translated the above substitutes for God's name into their Greek version.

  I now see that this statement is pure non-sense. Not pronouncing the name (as assumed it was becoming a practice) has nothing to do with how the Hebrew text (as it was WRITTEN, no how it was PRONOUNCED) into Greek. A translator would read the text and translate. The translator would find a Greek equivalent for the Hebrew words and names. So, as a Greek equivalent was to be found for each name, same would be the case for the tetragrammaton. I am sure they would be able to translate.

  Also, the assumption that the name of god was not pronounced, does not mean they did not know how it should be pronounced. I hardly use swear words, but I do know how to pronounce it.
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  2021-June-1, For Elders in Canada--Judicial Matters!

  by Atlantis in

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  just in case anyone needed this.. 2021-june-1, for elders in canada, judicial matters.

  announcement.

  https://filetransfer.io/data-package/ezxqcbaq#link.

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  Hi, i got the same warning with the first link. Not that this is really a trojan, as some virus tools interpret certain sites as containing trojans.

  Anyway, second link was fine. THANKS!
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  Remembering Rutherford

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
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  he seems to me to be the angriest and most ill-tempered of all the wt presidents, especially after his stint in prison and failed prophecies.. “regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he [rutherford] once confessed to us at bethel, “i made an ass of myself.”” watchtower 1984 oct 1 p.24.

  rutherford died at beth sarim on january 8, 1942, at the age of 72.

  [220] cause of death was...carcinoma of the rectum..."[21] .

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  Some salute or pay tribute to a flag or some other symbol, others to people who present themselves as guides or leaders. WT leaders have their power from the people who follow them. As with many religious followers, the R&F often are blind to the faults of these leaders. Fear is one element these leaders use to control their members. Promises is another one. Victimhood is yet another element to use to gain sympathy. Using small elements of "truth", blow it up as these elements are "life-saving" complete the suite tools these leaders use to remain in control.
  I think it is most hypocritical to go to court because students do no salute or somehow pay respect to the flag whereas at the same time, the WT organisation expels its members if they do not comply to their own set of rules.
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  What did Jesus Teach the "Kingdom of Heaven/God" is?

  by truth_b_known in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the books of matthew, mark, luke, john, and the beginning of acts are filled with what the authors purport are statements of jesus.

  jesus is quoted as making several statements about "the kingdom of heaven" or "the kingdom of god".

  those statements are often given as parables that start with a phrase something like "the kingdom of heaven is like...".

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  Reading what is written:

  Matt 28:18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you....

  There is no mention of a kingdom to be taught. It was about teaching the new baptized people to obey everything Jesus had commanded them.

  See what the statement Jesus made before he told them what to do (verse 18). You could say that the "Kingdom" is the life style one adopts when obeying the command made by Jesus, as Jesus was already King when he said these words. In other words, if you live with all baptized people that obey Jesus's commands, you experience the His Kingdom.
  Now as each religion made up their own version of what the kingdom is and what people should be taught, you can say that His kingdom actually does not really exist.

  Those who believe in the scriptures hope that his kingdom will one day be active on earth.

  
  
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  I am still not able to solve this God's name paradox...

  by psyco in

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  i am finishing to read the entire bible (nwt 2013) for my first time (my fault) and i wrote down hundreds, maybe thousands, of questions not clear to me, but one especially came in my mind meditating on god's name.. if i wanted to summarize the entire bible in one phrase i would say (even before the kingdom): god’s name sanctification.. god is jealous about his name.

  he does everything for the love of his name, and he wants to be called and prayed using his name.

  no doubt about all this (repeated several times in the bible), but it involves the pronunciation of his name.. god left us his name in the form of יהוה which is unpronounceable.

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  menrov

  The OP is talking WT language.

  Anyway, a more logical thinking approach:

  - why does God need to sanctify his name? Did he do something that de-sanctified (is this English??) his name?

  - if name was so important, why is only Jesus name used in the Greek books? Was the almighty not powerful enough to ensure his name would be in ALL scriptures?

  - Satan is supposed to be equally against God as he is against the son. So, why in the Hebrew scriptures you can find the consonants of his name and in the Greek scriptures the name of his son? If Satan wanted to have the consonants removed from the Greek scriptures, why not also in the other scriptures?

  - Why is someone who is above all, superior to all, cannot be touched, almighty etc JEALOUS. Jealousy means fear of losing something to someone else.

  - If the scriptures say he could make the stones cry out if his disciples are stopped (Luke 19:40), why not use the stones to ensure all people are aware of his name?

  You can ask yourself: how many people in the world know the following brand names: Apple, Google, Microsoft, Coca Cola, Shell etc or even Maradona, Pele, Cruijff? Now compare this to how many people in the world are familiar with the name and which version of the name of the God of the bible?

  If his objective is to sanctify his name, would you not expect that after the thousands of years, that about all people in the world would at least know what his name is?

  Or may be it is not that important and you and WT are wrong? What do you think?
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  Why did Jehovah Kill all the animals in the flood? What purpose did it serve??

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some of my jw family that is waking up posed that question to my jw family that is still hanging on to jw belief.. the stepbrother that posed that question told me;.

  "in all these years of being a jw, i actually never gave it much thought as to why jehovah had to kill millions of innocent animals that had nothing to do with mankind becoming evil.".

  i keep picturing in my mind, all the baby puppies and kitties that were destroyed by jehovah.

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  @Johnamos, I guess the influence of the WT on your thinking skills is still significant. For your education: it was the God of the bible who said all men were evil and as a result, deserved to die. I just disagree with that statement as I believe children are not evil but still died in the flood.

  @FFghost, birds cannot swim...really? That's your counter argument? Still suffering from WT influence on thinking skills.

  You could consider reading the story and notice fish were not in the ark. Birds were as I guess most birds might be killed in the flood. Birds though that can eat fish could have survived. Its just a viewpoint, not a doctrine.
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  Why did Jehovah Kill all the animals in the flood? What purpose did it serve??

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some of my jw family that is waking up posed that question to my jw family that is still hanging on to jw belief.. the stepbrother that posed that question told me;.

  "in all these years of being a jw, i actually never gave it much thought as to why jehovah had to kill millions of innocent animals that had nothing to do with mankind becoming evil.".

  i keep picturing in my mind, all the baby puppies and kitties that were destroyed by jehovah.

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  Not all animals were killed. Fish and birds survived :-)

  But true, if the story is true, why kill all land animals. But also: why so many people? I cannot believe ALL people on earth were evil and deserved to die.

  And look now, has the world become so much better compared to the times of the flood? Or are there still evil people? Through Adam and Eve sin came into the world. Sin was not removed with the flood. So, a flood actually would never help if sin would not be taken away as well. Noah and his family continued to spread sin.
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  Narrowly focused, sometimes illiterate

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
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  three of my sisters - there are five of us - were baptized as witnesses.

  one of them has gone from reading voraciously to only reading her textbooks and watchtower publications.

  this does not seem to be unusual among witnesses.

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  I do recognize that on average, a JW is not widely interested in or well informed about other topics than those topics printed in the WT magazines. Not sure about the statement made by some (have high literacy skills) is true. Main reason I do not know is that when I was a JW, there were very few opportunities that would show their literacy skills. I think that those JW's that had followed a proper education and similarly found a good job showed literacy skills as expected. But those that lacked that education or job, showed poorer skills. But I guess that would equally be true in other religions.
  I do notice however that most JW's have difficulties to actually discuss (in-depth) general topics, form ideas and provide counter arguments.