first and foremost i want to start off saying thank you for the support. it really does mean alot to me. i was trying to go to sleep but i am churned up right now.... that is a very good suggestion to use their own publications against them. i'll have to look into it.
how do i say forget this to my parents and walk away?
well.. i guess i just need to try harder.
no you may not call me pam (yelch) mel, melissa, or melly works for me though. :)
proudassmonkey
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HELP!!! HELP!!!! HELP!!!!!!
by proudassmonkey inok i need some help from who ever has dealt w. their jw parents.
this is the email i got from my parents: .
dear melissa, .
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HELP!!! HELP!!!! HELP!!!!!!
by proudassmonkey inok i need some help from who ever has dealt w. their jw parents.
this is the email i got from my parents: .
dear melissa, .
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proudassmonkey
ok here's the thing with them:
in their eyes the FDS has never been wrong. they are so brainwashed NOTHING will open their eyes.
i have been trying for soooo long and it doesn't work. i seriously can not try any more. they haven't done anything to see things from where i stand. i just want to be accepted for who and what i am. and it hurts so much not to be. i want to feel bad for getting out. but that little voice inside my head sings everyday FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!! and i just smile and hold my head higher because i know i can think for myself. i can think whatever i want whenever i want.
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HELP!!! HELP!!!! HELP!!!!!!
by proudassmonkey inok i need some help from who ever has dealt w. their jw parents.
this is the email i got from my parents: .
dear melissa, .
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i don't know..... they think so also.... how can i make page breaks or whatever they are called? (showing my board ignorance)
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HELP!!! HELP!!!! HELP!!!!!!
by proudassmonkey inok i need some help from who ever has dealt w. their jw parents.
this is the email i got from my parents: .
dear melissa, .
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ok i need some help from who ever has dealt w. their jw parents. this is the email i got from my parents:
Dear Melissa,
You are the first to say you can’t be a hypocrite to your self. Neither can we. Please take the time to read this letter. You know very well that your mother and I love you dearly. We haven’t be able to give you all that you’ve requested of us, but when it was very important we’ve at least tried to help you. We want to tell you that it’s a hard thing to remind you of how as Jehovah’s servants we follow the scriptural admonition to not be eating with one who has turned their back on the teachings we get from the bible. There is no doubt in our minds of how we need to be. Though there is great sorrow in our hearts with the path you chose. We feel out of all our children (except for Sara) you are the most kind hearted one of the family and you show the most feeling and compassion than all of us, and that is one of the things we love about you.
This last conversation and disrespectful response was a direct challenge for us to choose between obedience to what the scriptures teach us or not , and we have got to listen. Yes you are right that it may not be right in your eyes, or in the eyes of people who are not Jehovah’s witnesses who may think it is wrong. Your mother and I can’t just choose what we want to believe and what we don’t what to believe. We can’t just take the beliefs and choose from column A and then some from B. You know what we believe. That’s not how we do things, we need to accept all that is written.
We know you have gone through many hard things in your life, that is not a question. All five of you where given the same direction, only two of you accepted the course to not follow Jehovah. That is your decision. We are not going to change as we have limitations that we need to keep to. We are not forcing you to change your mind, we can do nothing to make you see things differently. The times you’ve called were, in my mind, because you needed to talk to us as your parents. There have been times you called your mother and may have talked longer because you are so dear to us, but I hope you didn’t think we were ignoring our stand with Jehovah. If that’s the case then we are sorry if we sent you mixed messages.
I’m sorry this choice had to be put directly in front of us like this and choice is a hard one but again we need to be true to ourselves and to our God, Jehovah. We would love nothing more than to be a united family again. It breaks our heart to have come to this point. We are still here for you whenever you need us, but we can’t go out to dinner with you! Only you can change that now.
Love,
Dad & Mom
how do i respond? i don't want to sound too apostate, yet i don't want them to think that there is a chance i will EVER let the borg drag me again. what do i do? i honestly do not care about ever speaking to them again. so my initial feeling is don't dignify that w/ a response but doesn't that mean that they win? they got there say and i don't get any? anyone who has been there before please help me out.
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How do we make a difference now?
by Mr Lebowski inthose of us raised as jw's were taught that "it does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step".
we were repeatedly told that without god, humans were incompetent and doomed to fail at any endeavour.. i personally believe that this teaching, that we as individuals do not make a difference, is possibly the largest doctrinal harm done to jw's, and one of the toughest to overcome.. so, for those of you who were raised in the wts and left, what do you choose to do now to make a difference in the world?
why did you pick that avenue - or why do you think you've waited up till now?.
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i started donating blood. my little sister died because she wasn't given a blood transfusion. so.... that's my contribution to the world.
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KH Renovation Survey
by Nosferatu inthis was one of the most rediculous things i've ever seen.
so i scanned it.
(hope it's a decent size, if not i'll resize it)..
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i have one question and maybe it is a dumb one since i am new to this board and everything..... but if we are all out and we are all free..... why care? i certainly am not the one paying for their driveways (any longer) i don't care how they do. maybe i am just wrong. but it has been 3 and a half years (probably longer since i stopped long before i left) and i don't care how the congragation pays for renovation.
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"Protect Your Children" JW radio advertisement -- sickening?
by Gopher ini just heard a jw radio advertisement regarding family and children for the first time.
this may have been the radio version of the "award winning for excellence" psa (public service announcement) which the wt society ballyhoos in their media website www.jw-media.org.. .
while listening to an oldies/nostalgic music station based in a wealthy twin cities suburb (stillwater, minnesota), they had a newsbreak, followed by an awkward half-minute of silence, then this commercial about family and children came on.
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why are you all acting like j-dubs on the radio is a huge thing? or that door-to-door is the only way they've ever gone about doing things? back in the 20's they had weekly broadcasts. not only that the WT had it's own radio station up till i think the 60's in upstate NY. this is an ols tactic that they are bringing out.... oh well, it's not like anyone really listens to those PSAs anyway.
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How old were you when you got baptised???
by digderidoo in.
i was 15, quite old compared to some.. a friends child has just got baptised at 13.....to think that she knows what she wants for the rest of her life at that age seems ludicrous.. so, who here got baptised at the youngest age?.
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a little intro
by proudassmonkey inso yesterday i was driving down the freeway talking on the phone with my jw mom.
i asked when she and my dad would want to go out to dinner with me and my boyfriend of 3 1/2 years.
she tells me 'your father and i can't share a meal with you.
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so yesterday i was driving down the freeway talking on the phone with my jw mom. i asked when she and my dad would want to go out to dinner with me and my boyfriend of 3 1/2 years. she tells me 'your father and i can't share a meal with you. b/c of choices that you made' the choice she is talking about is the letter of disassociation i wrote 3 years ago. i HAD to leave i had to get out. the witnesses are stiffling. not only that they preach about not being prejucided but they are prejuiced against anyone who thinks differently then they do. i had an abusive childhood. i was frequently beat by my mother for not keeping the house clean, or not doing things the way she wanted them done. my father, a minesterial servant, covered up for her. we frequently had bethelites spend the night at our house and they saw what was going on. no one said a word. she was never talked to about it from any of our 'loving' elders. now why is that? so now i've left. and i am finally happy. i no longer want to kill myself every day. i have the freedom to think what i want. to say what i want and not have to worry about the impression i am giving off. of course this has come with certain sacrifices. my older sister (who lives at the watchtower educational center in patterson w/ her husband) used to be my best friend. but i haven't talked to her in 3 years b/c her husband told her she isn't allowed to call me and she listens. my brother (who is in china somewhere doing underground work) won't speak to me, and no longer considers me a part of the family. so how do i get over trying? how do i stop trying to still be the good little girl my parents want me to be? how do i stop feeling guilty about leaving? how do i stop caring that people who said that they loved me will no longer talk to me? i don't understand how a supposedly loving organization rips families apart and no one has a problem with it.
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Raised a JW... did you have a childhood?
by ignorance is strength inpersonally i was quite serious at a young age.. there was no "boys will be boys" growing up.
personally i feel kind of cheated out of a childhood by an organization that forced you to think that "everything around you was going to be gone soon so you better grow up, start publishing, and giving talks.
" did any of you experience a less than stellar childhood, especially because of the lack of holidays and socially-isolating religion gowing up?
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a childhood what's that? i find now that my boyfriend brings things up music...movies.... TV shows whatever, my usual reply was i wasn't allowed to listen or watch that. i missed out on so many things. my proms, high school dances, high school sports, everything that people think of as normal growing up things. every time i inoccently hugged a boy at school some other jw kid would tell my parents. and now my mom wonders if she was strict enough w/ us. i ask you how can you get stricter?