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  WHAT DO YOU BASE YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ON?

  by Terry in

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  everybody seems to have opinions.

  often they are strong emotionally based opinions.. what do you base your opinions on?

  do you expect people to respect your opinion?.

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  Corvin,

  A very caring, strong, brave person and funny too........

  Brad
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  Suicide.... how do you view people who "attempt" it?

  by outbutnotdown in

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  anybody who has read my other recent posts...... don't worry, this is absolutely not about me feeling that way... i'm very happy, thanks..... .

  my roommate, however, had a friend who committed suicide a couple of weeks ago and she just broke up with her boyfriend and he was saying things similar to what the guy who committed suicide awhile back was saying just before he took his life.

  it is freaking her out.

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  Flower,

  I agree. There is definitely a stigma attached to mental illness.

  In my personal case, my ex tried to have me kicked out of the house (when I felt that we were going to mutually separate and get on with life) because I was unfit as a father because, (amongst other accusations) a few years earlier I had said that I wanted to die. I said to her, "Do you really want to go there, honey?" (She had had the same sinking feeling before herself, but I told her that despite her accusation towards me, I would not go there and I still haven't because I believe what you are saying.)

  Mental illness is a condition. It can be treated or it can be neglected. We are all capable of becoming victims of it.

  I applaud you for defeating the "sadness" demons that made you contemplate it. It is very honourable (sp...Canadian... ) that you give credit or acknowledge that your child was influential in your decision to hang around for the whole play.) I feel that you draw strength from the knowledge that you may have reacted differently if you didn't have a child...... the fact is that you did stay around.... I am glad for that.

  Brad
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  Elder arranges for Convicted JW Child Abuser to go on study w/woman & kids

  by blondie in

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  2. child-abuse

  http://silentlambs.org/newsletter/newsletteritem.cfm?sendoutid=294

  now heroux has done a year in prison, followed by home confinement for two years on an electronic bracelet, probation for two years and parole for life.

  it was later discovered after heroux was newly released from prison that an elder in his new congregation was in the process of arranging for heroux to conduct a bible study with a woman and her two small children.

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  Elsewhere's question is bravely answered with a resounding "YES!!!, they are f*cking morons".

  And it's not just because of the "obey" the father, "obey" the elder, "obey" the WTBTS...... the whole belief structure is to blame. Corvin, I think, will understand more than anyone what I speak of.

  Where the hell else in society would somebody get away with this?

  These f*cking elders would do anything to protect their own chidren, (assuming that they have a conscience) yet they pass it off as being more important to "save" people from this evil world as it is to protect the defenseless, the children from these predators.

  My in-laws (JW's) have tried to frame me for sexually assaulting my child, and in an effort to "prove" this they have done things to my daughter to make the false accusation look legit. Whether they are "guilty" of a criminal offense or not is for others to determine, if they choose to do so.

  But I went to an elder and told him flat out that I didn't respect their belief structure enough to be saying this to have my ex-mother-in-law punished through their disciplinary structure. I was, however, pleading with him to do whatever he could to protect my children. He went to speak to her and she said, "Mind your own business." He did. When the hell would they ever listen to a follower saying that? Never!!!! Unless it could tarnish the "society".

  We must all feel sorry for the WTBTS, for if my daughter was sexually assaulted by them, it would make them "look" bad. Pardon the language, but at what point do the f*cking a**holes realize that there is a victim here, and it's not the WTBTS!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

  Same with the victims in this case cited. These people forget about what happened to the victims. The guy spent time in prison. He must have been guilty of it, yet nothing is mentioned about that. His lawyer doesn't even state that he was wrongly accused. I was wrongly accused and I will die before I submit to my accusers. Yet that is not present here.

  Brad
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  Suicide.... how do you view people who "attempt" it?

  by outbutnotdown in

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  anybody who has read my other recent posts...... don't worry, this is absolutely not about me feeling that way... i'm very happy, thanks..... .

  my roommate, however, had a friend who committed suicide a couple of weeks ago and she just broke up with her boyfriend and he was saying things similar to what the guy who committed suicide awhile back was saying just before he took his life.

  it is freaking her out.

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  Flower said:

  not much of an insult i know but its the best i can do with someone i like.

  Are you hitting on me? JUST KIDDING!!!

  Despite my comments/opinions contrary to yours, I also like you. Life is such an interesting little journey, that if we don't take each moment to grow where we can we lose out on so much.

  I honestly do feel for what you have gone through as well and I appreciate your positive comments, such as:

  ((((((Dede)))))) I'm glad you shared that. I think someone who might be feeling the same way your mother did inside should hear stories from people like you and Brad who can give them another perspective on the situation especially if they have children as young as you guys were.

  I had no intention to direct insults at you specifically and I hope that didn't appear to be the case. I do have a very strong passion for people who go through things similar to what you described about Stef and I, considering our ages. I do all I can to prevent that sort of thing from happening and also can see the other side of showing compassion to the person who is inflicting pain on the "other people" involved.

  I could ramble on, but I just wanted you to know that I do respect what you have said, I have learned from it and I am a better person for the exchange of information that we have had.

  Brad of the "it feels so much better admitting imperfection rather than denying it" class
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  WHAT DO YOU BASE YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ON?

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  everybody seems to have opinions.

  often they are strong emotionally based opinions.. what do you base your opinions on?

  do you expect people to respect your opinion?.

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  Sixofnine,

  That was very eloquently said. I have very similar opinions but I would not necessarily have said it quite so well.

  But, in short, if my opinion, after having formed it, is not based on an objective viewpoint, to me is not worth sharing. Why should anyone else have an opinion thrown at them that is nothing more than ONE person's viewpoint?

  Of course I just wrote this while listening to U2's song "ONE" so my opinion, at this time, may be based on the words of an evil rock band.

  Brad
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  Freedom to Choose God

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  come to the wedding.

  ' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

  ' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

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  LT,

  You're hillarious. (And I honestly mean that..... I'm not being sarcastic.)

  But isn't Christianity based on that "story"? I'm honestly still trying to find "God" or utopia myself......although I am certain that I am closer to it than I was when I was a JW...... ... , but it is hard for me to accept Christianity as being infallible. And I know, LT, that you are likely wanting to say that finding God is not so easliy defined or classified as just being Christian, so I admit that I use that term loosely.

  Brad
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  Currently the "Psycho's" are leading the the "Psychic's" 39 to 27

  by outbutnotdown in

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  go figure.

  brad

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  Stefanie,

  How'd you know that? (About the beer I mean.) Can I buy you a glass of wine?

  I got one accusation of being weird tonight already, so I think I'm with you on being in the "psycho" category as well.

  Brad
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  Currently the "Psycho's" are leading the the "Psychic's" 39 to 27

  by outbutnotdown in

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  go figure.

  brad

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  Go figure.

  Brad
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  Suicide.... how do you view people who "attempt" it?

  by outbutnotdown in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anybody who has read my other recent posts...... don't worry, this is absolutely not about me feeling that way... i'm very happy, thanks..... .

  my roommate, however, had a friend who committed suicide a couple of weeks ago and she just broke up with her boyfriend and he was saying things similar to what the guy who committed suicide awhile back was saying just before he took his life.

  it is freaking her out.

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  Flower,

  now, for a brief moment i will stoop to insults.

  you're wierd.

  Thank you for the compliment..... you meant wired, right? Or I could think that you meant to type weird...... Hmmmmmmm.......... since life is what I make it, I'll stick to wired. Thanks again.

  Brad
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  Freedom to Choose God

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  come to the wedding.

  ' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

  ' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

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  LT, EW, ozzie and DD,

  I didn't intend to have my original question as repeated by Gumby to be swept under the rug. I still think it is a valid question in this discussion you are carrying on:

  Why did God not create Adam and Eve at the same time? Genesis 2:18 says (my apologies for using he NWT... ):

  And Jehovah God went on to say: "It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him."

  At what point did it all become good? At what point did God become perfect in his judgement? If Eve was a complement, Adam was surely not considered to be whole before Eve was created.

  What gives? At what part of the Biblical story am I to consider God to be infallible? Pretend that I want to really be a good Christian... .... how would you answer this to a straying Christian?

  Brad